US Pilots Labor Discussion

[streaman]

No, I am senior to all you pukes no matter how you work it out, I just want all of you below all of us. Now, go back to your Marvel and get back into you fantasy.

how can you be senior to everyone at awa

 

[cleardirect]

"Management Members
Jeff Brundage, American Airlines
Jerry Glass, USAirways
Bernhard Rikardsen, Scandinavian Airlines
Al Spain, JetBlue Airways"

Your ALPA dues at work, Wilson polls you paid for given to Jerry Glass, for him know what your buttons were.

ALPA shills, comments please? Many reasons why your corrupt union was fired by Usairways pilots.

ALPA used your dues money to give management the edge

So a report from 5 years ago. Your point?

Who cares. ALPA is gone fine. At what point is usapa responsible for what is going on here?

What does that have to do with usapa screwing the west pilots and usapa's inability to get a contract?

 

[traderjake]

No, I am senior to all you pukes no matter how you work it out, I just want all of you below all of us. Now, go back to your Marvel and get back into you fantasy.

Like I said, the truth hits a nerve.

By the way, I'm an East pilot, which makes your post even more nonsensical.

 

[Reed Richards]

As judge Bybee asked. Could you place all of the women junior to all of the men? DFR? Could you place all of the redhead senior to everyone else? DFR? Could you pay pilots different rates depending on base but not equipment? DFR? Could you place 85% of one group junior to furloughed pilots? DFR?

Clear, you are off base on this one. I can still access the audio from the Ninth arguments a year ago..but with only a cursory search I cannot find a transcript to cut and paste.

Bybee was drawing some boundaries there and giving a few digs..of course there is indeed a point where a union could overstep its bounds (and thus face a real DFR.) One of those “Title” rulings I believe that extend beyond the RLA. Being the superhero outhouse lawyer I am .... this line of questioning was not really relevant.......of course you cannot discriminate on strictly the basis of Race or Sex in any context, other than picking the next lineup for the Rocketts for next year’s Xmas show. A little give and take from the bench, but all in the room (except for the heart surgeon) knew the real answer.

Fact is, DOH with fences and restrictions holds up just fine in our legal system, and will preempt your unquestionably ripe attempt at DFR II.

By the way, absent a transcript..listen to Lee Seham's final answer on the question on the easily available audio. Your point is moot. And Lee Seham continues to supplant my position as smartest man in the world. And most consistent.

RR

 

[cleardirect]

No, I am senior to all you pukes no matter how you work it out, I just want all of you below all of us. Now, go back to your Marvel and get back into you fantasy.

Well finally. Some honesty from an east pilot. That is all you have ever wanted from the beginning. It must really piss you guys off that we were not willing to just roll over and hand you our careers.

 

[Reed Richards]

And this gets you to your end game how???????????????????

AWA320

Since you share his avatar, I still can only address you as "the goat man!"

No further progress required, other than attrition. Most of us old gaseous emissions are gone in a few years. This is the end game. Other than a very unlikely win on LOA 93...we are done.

You stay in PHX, and we will bounce between our three crew bases, wide bodies, and seniority bidding until we wear Depends like our favorite window sticker man. Or maybe two crew bases based on Doug’s history.

RR

 

[sumadarson]

So a report from 5 years ago. Your point?

Who cares. ALPA is gone fine. At what point is usapa responsible for what is going on here?

What does that have to do with usapa screwing the west pilots and usapa's inability to get a contract?

You're my point. I could say the sky is blue and you would argue that point so you can get your seniority jump. You just returned from furlough, you are wet behind the ears. ALPA uses information paid by its dues members so Jerry Glass can use it against you. You spin it to your selfish needs. Stick to the point I made.

I do not expect the west pilots to understand this because they were hired by an airline that accepted applications and hired from a pool of those that could not get hired by anyone else. Darwins theory of pilots evolution.

One of Glass' contracts

 

[cleardirect]

Clear, you are off base on this one. I can still access the audio from the Ninth arguments a year ago..but with only a cursory search I cannot find a transcript to cut and paste.

Bybee was drawing some boundaries there and giving a few digs..of course there is indeed a point where a union could overstep its bounds (and thus face a real DFR.) One of those “Title” rulings I believe that extend beyond the RLA. Being the superhero outhouse lawyer I am .... this line of questioning was not really relevant.......of course you cannot discriminate on strictly the basis of Race or Sex in any context, other than picking the next lineup for the Rocketts for next year’s Xmas show. A little give and take from the bench, but all in the room (except for the heart surgeon) knew the real answer.

Fact is, DOH with fences and restrictions holds up just fine in our legal system, and will preempt your unquestionably ripe attempt at DFR II.

By the way, absent a transcript..listen to Lee Seham's final answer on the question on the easily available audio. Your point is moot. And Lee Seham continues to supplant my position as smartest man in the world. And most consistent.

RR

First. I need to acknowledge a mistake. It was judge Graber the woman that asked the question about can you make women junior to men.

Yes it was relevant. She picked her favorite minority and asked Seham if it would be OK to discriminate against them.

You guys all rely on the DOH "gold standard" thing. Sure during neg/med/arb. it is OK. But after an arbitrator rules it is over. The majority does not get to throw out an arbitration after the fact. The majority does not get to decide what the C&R will be for the minority and still avoid DFR.

Would it be a DFR if all women were made junior to all men? Even if the C&BL said so.

 

[traderjake]

I do not expect the west pilots to understand this because they were hired by an airline that accepted applications and hired from a pool of those that could not get hired by anyone else. Darwins theory of pilots evolution.

And now we work more for less money.

Yep, we sure are smarter the those stupid West pilots.

 

[cleardirect]

Your my point. I could say the sky is blue and you would argue that point so you can get your seniority jump. You just returned from furlough, you are wet behind the ears. ALPA uses information paid by its dues members so Jerry Glass can use it against you. You spin it to your selfish needs. Stick to the point I made.

I do not expect the west pilots to understand this because they were hired by an airline that accepted applications and hired from a pool of those that could not get hired by anyone else. Darwins theory of pilots evolution.

One of Glass' contracts

Guess you don't have a point so you continue to fling poo.

It must really kill you that my little airline with our pilots are standing up to you big bad legacy guys. Oh by the way making more than you are and have a better contract than you do. That pulled your failing airline out of the dump.

BTW I never wanted to work for US Air never applied and am disgusted to be associated with east pilots.

 

[Reed Richards]

First. I need to acknowledge a mistake. It was judge Graber the woman that asked the question about can you make women junior to men.

Yes it was relevant. She picked her favorite minority and asked Seham if it would be OK to discriminate against them.

You guys all rely on the DOH "gold standard" thing. Sure during neg/med/arb. it is OK. But after an arbitrator rules it is over. The majority does not get to throw out an arbitration after the fact. The majority does not get to decide what the C&R will be for the minority and still avoid DFR.

Would it be a DFR if all women were made junior to all men? Even if the C&BL said so.

Yes Clear. If we put all women junior to all men it would be a DFR won, the CBL be d.....d. Agreed.

That has nothing to do with majority or minority. DOH with Conditions and Restrictions makes the cut just fine, as you will soon learn. Even wtih the CBL "d.....d."

RR

 

[sumadarson]

Guess you don't have a point so you continue to fling poo.

It must really kill you that my little airline with our pilots are standing up to you big bad legacy guys. Oh by the way making more than you are and have a better contract than you do. That pulled your failing airline out of the dump.

BTW I never wanted to work for US Air never applied and am disgusted to be associated with east pilots.

You just returned from furlough.

"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."
Caption under a picture of an ostrich with its head in the sand.

 

[sumadarson]

And now we work more for less money.

Yep, we sure are smarter the those stupid West pilots.

You just returned from furlough.

 

[cleardirect]

You just returned from furlough.

With 1700 east pilots on furlough. You have a higher percentage of returning from furlough than a west guy. We had zero at the the time.

Besides are you saying it is a bad thing returning from furlough? You say it like an insult.

 

[sumadarson]

Besides are you saying it is a bad thing returning from furlough? You say it like an insult.

You took my bait, hook line and sinker. You have bad mouthed furloughed pilots from the East since the inception of your posts. I will quote you from past posts regarding this tomorrow.

This qualifies you, by far, as the hypocrite of the day sir.