US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Face it, if you were furloughed at the time of the merger, you are flying 100% of someone else's job.

Yeah, the east guys senior to them that have left the company!

 

[Freighterguynow]

Good one!

Yea nic, you think a widebody job in CLT is 'yours'.

We get it.







ps crunched the numbers and it is 2023 till East/West is 50-50.

 

[nic4us]

Yeah, the east guys senior to them that have left the company!

Good comeback. but,

Who is flying the jobs of the West guys senior to them that have left the company. Between West retirements and out of seniority furloughs, there has to be over a couple hundred east pilots employed at the expense of the West.

 

[Pi brat]

Good comeback. but,

Who is flying the jobs of the West guys senior to them that have left the company. Between West retirements and out of seniority furloughs, there has to be over a couple hundred east pilots employed at the expense of the West.

They are gone due to shrinkage The east also has fewer pilots than on May 19 2005, but East recalled pilots replaced east vacancies. They did not take west vacancies.

 

[nic4us]

nic4,

Did it ever occur to you that we in the east were not born yesterday? Your daddy federal judges and their friends couldn't pull it off for you guys. They took you as far as they could. They got spanked by the 9th! Nice honest and trustworthy right wing federal judges? Western Law?

They should have been educated at University of Pennsylvania. Too bad!

Hate

Don't really care when you were born, or when you were hired at your old company.

Ever occur to you these federal judges, corporate executives and all the lawyers, were not born yesterday either?

If our "daddy" is a federal judge, who is your "daddy", that weak union busting little lawyer that is milking you for millions?

 

[nic4us]

They are gone due to shrinkage The east also has fewer pilots than on May 19 2005, but East recalled pilots replaced east vacancies. They did not take west vacancies.

I will look into this, but all I have to say for now is...."shrinkage"?.....USAirways is such a cold swimming pool!

 

[Freighterguynow]

The bid for March is the first to increase the East headcount since the merger was announced.


Even when hiring, the East pilot count was decreasing as pilots retired and flying was siphoned off .... well you know the rest.

 

[AWA320]

I'll give you 10 to one odds that that day won't come. It'll end with a judge telling them to use the Nic and when all the appeals are over they'll still be muttering about "being robbed".

Jim

Jim I'm afraid to bet you because you know your guys in the east too well for me to ever out think you on this subject 😀

AWA320

 

[AWA320]

The declaratory relief will be dismissed. It will be appealed by USAirways and lost due to published court findings.

The NMB will release the pilots for self help long before the appeal of the company is decided in USAPA's favor.

9th circuit court of appeals

Very optimistic of you and also very wrong!! On what grouds do you predict a dismissal??? Further, your knowledge of the NMB is lacking as well. This company has 40% of its pilots who will never support a stike vote under the current conditions (usapa). The NMB doesnt have a history of releasing groups for self help when there is a percertage that large not in support. No the NMB will Park usapa for years is more like it...

AWA320

 

[AWE Dog]

Face it, if you were furloughed at the time of the merger, you are flying 100% of someone else's job.

This west is doing 24% of East flying and this is your reply.............

 

[AWA320]

Tell you what. If the number 1 guy at AirTran gets to be the number 2 guy at SW then I will
lobby USAPA to accept the NIC.

NICDOA
NPJB

Come'on lets keep it in perspective shall we? They will be merged relative just like us and just like DAL/NWA and soon to be UAL/CAL! You might see somethng like the top 200 or better the top 517 at SWA then after that based on relative slotting. If you cant handle that then I am sorry for. You wont need to lobby usapa for a thing as I can assure you that LCC will be bound to their agreements and forced to honor them or be sued just like usapa will be as well!!

AWA320

 

[AWA320]

Speaking of consider the source, how is the monetary damage recovery you promised your west pilots going.

Leonidas promise, Jan. 2010

We are not there just yet BUT carefull what you wish for 😉

AWA320

 

[AWE Dog]

The East has 800 pilots over age 60, the west has 50. It's funny, the shiny pamphlet didn't happen to mention that either. Accept the nic, yea right.

 

[AWA320]

The most absurd part of all of this is the company filing for declaratory judgement from a lower court, when an appellate court has already made a ruling on the first lower court. This is an obvious stall tactic on the company side. How can Judge Silver rule on something that has already been passed to a higher level and DECIDED? She can't. She can only reference the 9th. It is that simple. And they said the Nic does not necessarily have to be the solution.

WRONG!!! Do you have any legal background at all or are you just emotionally guessing???? When you go to the court of appeals it goes one of two ways, they either affirm or deny. If they affirm then it ends with them. If they deny then it goes back to the district court. The company has NOT been before the court of appeals thus they filed in the district court as they should. Not a stall tactic at all as they could do that without the cost of having to be in court. They could hold up on any number of sections of contract talks. STOP BEING SO DAMN EMOTIONAL AND THINK FOR A CHANGE!!!!

AWA320

 

[AWA320]

nic4,

Did it ever occur to you that we in the east were not born yesterday? Your daddy federal judges and their friends couldn't pull it off for you guys. They took you as far as they could. They got spanked by the 9th! Nice honest and trustworthy right wing federal judges? Western Law?

They should have been educated at University of Pennsylvania. Too bad!

Hate

Tell me please how you really think this is going to end??? The one case was dismissed on ripeness ONLY!!!!! Tell me so I know when does it become ripe?? The minute you are able to trick LCC into a cram down contract with DOH in it after they and YOU signed a transition agreement?? I am really interested in how you get around the arbitration because unless you do that you can not get to where you hope to go.

Please allow me to help as this comes from my family UNIVERSITY OF DETROIT SCHOOL OF LAW CLASS OF 77!!


How can one go about overturning binding arbitration?

It is almost impossible to overturn a binding arbitration. I heard of one lately, but that is the only time.

It would be easier to attack being forced to go to binding arbitration than the award, although you could argue against the award as a seconday point.

You could also argue that the arbitrator was not neutral. To do this you would have to have specific instances as well as a pattern of this behavior on their part.

Good luck! Binding arbitration can awful.

Thank you for allowing me to assist you.