US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

Ohhhhhh I see now because people like me who see thru your BS like clear glass wont accept DOH which all but assures that I will be a 21yr first officer huh???

So you must be a 1989 hire, you must be a Captain then.

Furlough??? What you don't have confidence in Parker as a leader?

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Believe me, your contract over at UAL was nothing to crow about either. We shall see about the LOA 93. We aren't sweating ANY of the Nic stuff. The senior west guys are probably getting seriously sick of the junior guys holding them up on a 330 bid too. Some of them could hold it, but the way things are going, they will never see it. By the way, Hate, and AWE Dog. Welcome back to the 76I! 😀

I bet EFM is AWE Dog. Do I get a lollipop?

 

[AWA320]

So you must be a 1989 hire, you must be a Captain then.

Furlough??? What you don't have confidence in Parker as a leader?

I have no idea what math you are using but based on the current number of pilots at this carrier including the ones furloughed at the time add up to stripping away what I already have and putting me 14yrs in the negative. I dont know but me thinks that would not be im my best interest but it would serve the east just fine!! Like I said I'll will stick with final and binding arbitration...

AWA320

 

[No Land Green]

I believe that USAPA is the only voice Doug Parker is permitted to listen to when it comes to contract issues, not the individual pilots. Isn't that implied and demanded by the term exclusive collective bargaining agent? So if that message is going to have any effect on Doug, it has to come from USAPA, not a group of west pilots. So I'll ask again, how exactly can anyone blame a west pilot for delaying the JCBA? If Doug doesn't believe what USAPA is saying regarding seniority, that is USAPA's issue, not the west pilots. Management, including Doug, Scott, Robert, and the BOD will not accept USAPA's DOH proposal unless a federal court specifically instructs them to do so. Since that isn't likely to happen, a JCBA is a very long way away unless USAPA honor's the east pilots' agreement regarding seniority and binding arbitration.

I don't think a court can "instruct" them to use NIC or DOH or any other method. The entire contract is negotiable, page 1 to the very end......yep just like crew meals, scope, pay rates, vacation, sick, etc...........

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

What you don't have confidence in Parker as a leader?

Kinda hard to, aint it?

 

[No Land Green]

I have no idea what math you are using but based on the current number of pilots at this carrier including the ones furloughed at the time add up to stripping away what I already have and putting me 14yrs in the negative. I dont know but me thinks that would not be im my best interest but it would serve the east just fine!! Like I said I'll will stick with final and binding arbitration...

AWA320

DOH math. You are not 14 years in the negative. You are living the AWA dream, which now is stagnation. How many times has AWA furloughed pilots prior to 2005?

It's a dynamic industry, snapshots don't work......Stick with what makes you happy........NIC isn't in the best interest of the majority of the East....

 

[N924PS]

He knows if he comes into a 3 man crew he will take a constant slamming! 😀

Not from likes of you and MM, Master of Alliteration!

And as I have said many times before, I'm not him.....

 

[BoeingBoy]

It's a dynamic industry, snapshots don't work......

Of course that would include the snapshot USAPA wants to use for it's C&R's???

Jim

 

[No Land Green]

Of course that would include the snapshot USAPA wants to use for it's C&R's???

Jim

Correct Jim, need to drop the C&R's. Just plain old DOH and no restrictions. That will take care of the "snapshot USAPA wants to use"

 

[AWA320]

I don't think a court can "instruct" them to use NIC or DOH or any other method. The entire contract is negotiable, page 1 to the very end......yep just like crew meals, scope, pay rates, vacation, sick, etc...........

Sure they can if the right case is filed! The east can be forced to honor the award and that is just about where we are headed however the companies case does not ask this question. A seperate west lawsuit will ask the court to force the issue like a judgement while asking for damages. Usapa sealed your fate and the DFR1 case did what it needed to do and that was preserve the rights of the west pilots. Now all one need do is wait and you can only go one of two ways, violate me by forcing me to go DOH or by not negotiating in good faith on a collective bargaining agreement. Either way you are caught by the short and curlys!

One of the most commonly asked questions concerning arbitration is: "What can I do with the arbitration award once it is rendered?" The short answer is that absent very unusual circumstance's (such as fraud or corruption in the procurement of the award), an arbitration award can easily be confirmed as a court judgment, which can then be used to collect payment from the losing party through judicial enforcement.

Enforcement procedures for arbitration awards are primarily governed by the Federal Arbitration Act (Federal Act) and the Uniform Arbitration Act (Uniform Act).1 If an arbitration case involves interstate commerce or maritime issues, the Federal Act2 applies.3 Those cases which have considered the meaning of the phrase "interstate commerce" (as used in the Federal Act) have universally held that very little "interstate" connection is necessary 4Accordingly, the Federal Act is likely to apply to the overwhelming majority of modern day arbitrations. State arbitration statutes, including those which derive from the Uniform Act, apply to the extent the Federal Act does not apply or has not preempted them.5As a general matter, both Acts provide simplified enforcement procedures which require only that the winning party file a motion in an appropriate court to confirm the arbitration award. The court must confirm the award and enter judgment on it unless, upon timely motion of the unsuccessful party and for one of the very few reasons allowed by the Federal Act or Uniform Act, the court vacates, modifies or corrects the arbitration award. There is a presumption in favor of the validity of the award, and under either Act a party's ability to block entry of judgment is extremely limited. Once a court enters judgment, relatively simple procedures exist to execute the judgment and pursue collection from the losing party's assets.

AWA320

 

[CallawayGolf]

I don't think a court can "instruct" them to use NIC or DOH or any other method. The entire contract is negotiable, page 1 to the very end......yep just like crew meals, scope, pay rates, vacation, sick, etc...........

So doesn't that sort of defeat your previous post where you claimed the west was responsible for the delay and that they should go and tell Parker something? Which is it? Can USAPA negotiate for DOH or do they need the west to bail them out by telling Doug what USAPA is so desperate to hear. The contradictions prove you and USAPA have no clue how to resolve this process and to get a JCBA. Do you just make things up as you go along?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Correct Jim, need to drop the C&R's. Just plain old DOH and no restrictions. That will take care of the "snapshot USAPA wants to use"

And dig that DFR hole deeper and deeper. You do know what the first rule is when you've dug a hole too deep to get out of, right? Quit digging...

Jim

 

[No Land Green]

So doesn't that sort of defeat your previous post where you claimed the west was responsible for the delay and that they should go and tell Parker something? Which is it? Can USAPA negotiate for DOH or do they need the west to bail them out by telling Doug what USAPA is so desperate to hear. The contradictions prove you and USAPA have no clue how to resolve this process and to get a JCBA. Do you just make things up as you go along?

Nope, just what I read, hear and watch via video. USAPA can negotiate whatever it wants. USAPA is negotiating with Management. The only thing you are concerned about is your NIC #.

If you want a quick contract, I suggest you join us at Club 93. I'm sure Parker would sign in a NY minute. DOH, NIC, Age, Gender, whatever type section 22 you want to propose.

Parker has no plan for the airline, states that we will be merged in 5 years. Why 5 years? Probably how long this legal back and forth game will go on for. By then this place will likely liquidate.........

 

[767jetz]

When you "stutter" mentally, you have only the faculties to attack people, resorting to sophomoric name calling and posting stupid links. Try to do better next time you try to launch yet another flame bait missive. Or better yet, head back to the cornfield, where you really belong.

Interesting how when a person is scum, they work very hard to paint others as even worse scum in order to redirect the spotlight elsewhere, hoping people will forget that they are actually scum too. Hence all the stupid links to irrelevant history. It won't affect how things play out though.

On another note, The Wizard of Oz has been playing a lot on cable now that the holidays are approaching.

 

[No Land Green]

And dig that DFR hole deeper and deeper. You do know what the first rule is when you've dug a hole too deep to get out of, right? Quit digging...

Jim

DFR depends on the final outcome. We don't know what that is or when it will happen. There is no DFR as of yet.