US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

DOH is not a staple job. Sorry!!

Using a DOH of list in the top 3000 numbers less than 300 west pilot are represented. From Colello your senior furloughed pilot only 332 west pilots. In the top 4000 just over 500 west pilots. That is 82.0% of west pilots are STAPLED below east furloughed pilots. There is somewhere around 280-300 FURLOUGHED east pilot placed senior to west CAPTAINS .

What kind of un-merged career expectation brings back a furlough pilot senior to a line holding captain?

This is a 3900-4000 active pilot airline. So at 4000 total 1320 west pilots would be furlough fodder. If you consider 4500 for LDT ect. At 4500 pilots on a list 900 west pilots are furlough fodder for the east. C&R don’t protect that.

DOH places about 650 west captain mixed in with east FURLOUGHED pilots.

Tell us all how that is not a staple using DOH?

 

[Barrister]

I already explained "exactly how" that little scenario happens. Another 9-11 style furlough and VOILA'!! Line holding Captains in PHX get to hit the street, being replaced with those who were hopelessly unemployed at the time of the Merger. A little convenient no?

BTW, I saw the "WARNING SEVER TURBULENCE AHEAD" Billboard by the airport...I burst out laughing. You guys are so Effing delusional is it jaw dropping. The only one laughing harder than me is Doug Parker.

Yes, I guess you are right. If there is another catastrophe and we are sep ops.....
look out PHX. I guess I would lose plenty of sleep too. Sorry, we don't lay off the
22 year guy and keep the the 10 year guy. NO CAN DO, Can't GO FOR THAT
A blood pressure check is in order....yours that is.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Barrister]

Barrister is the one (or one of those) who don't know how things work. Like about all the East posters, he thinks that just because there's those 2 magic letters after DOH - C&R - that no court will find that using DOH is a ripe and winnable DFR suit.

Nor does he and others remember what the 9th said - USAPA can possibly escape a DFR by coming up with a solution that doesn't do the harm the West fears - and that is the only way USAPA will ever escape the NIC. So far USAPA's C&R's do not eliminate the harm the west fears since they are a farce.

Jim

I don't care what you put iafter it. Another 2 years an AMWest guy can fly a 330 under DOH. Put 10 of em in PHX for all we care. You get what your date gets you no more...no less. And it got you retired soon enough!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Metroyet]

. NO CAN DO, Can't GO FOR THAT
NICDOA
NPJB

Psssst. (whispering) I'll let you in on a little secret....Nobody gives a #### what you think. You guys are in charge of exactly nothing.

 

[sumadarson]

Barrister is the one (or one of those) who don't know how things work. Like about all the East posters, he thinks that just because there's those 2 magic letters after DOH - C&R - that no court will find that using DOH is a ripe and winnable DFR suit.

Nor does he and others remember what the 9th said - USAPA can possibly escape a DFR by coming up with a solution that doesn't do the harm the West fears - and that is the only way USAPA will ever escape the NIC. So far USAPA's C&R's do not eliminate the harm the west fears since they are a farce.

Jim

Here is the protection you gave the Empire Pilots, that was a farce. The Empire Pilots lost a DFR against this.

"SENIORITY:
Seniority s h a l l continue t o be governed by the provisions of Section 19 of the
Basic Agreement except as follows:
A. Former Empire p i l o t s shall be placed on the Piedmont Pilot System
Seniority List on January 3, 1986 following the most junior Piedmont
p i l o t i n the same order that they appear on the Empire Pilot Seniority
List dated January 15, 1986."

Empire DFR

 

[cleardirect]

OK Chief. I'll take your word for it, but if I was you I would be looking at my Section 1- Scope language.

Your point?

Oh that's right you still think Parker is going to split us up.

I have asked and never get an answer. You and usapa think you have won this and are going to get DOH and staple the west to the bottom. If I were you I would want another 1000-1500 pilot below me in the next merger. Not sitting near the bottom after 25 years.

But maybe you guys have not thought this all the through as usual.

Not that it is going to happen but fragmentation would be better for us. Cut you people away and we can go join a real airline with reasonable pilots that have integrity and will honor their agreements.

How about at the next crew news you suggest to Parker that he splits this thing up we go our separate ways. See how that works for you.

 

[sumadarson]

Your point?

Not that it is going to happen but fragmentation would be better for us. Cut you people away and we can go join a real airline with reasonable pilots that have integrity and will honor their agreements.

How about at the next crew news you suggest to Parker that he splits this thing up we go our separate ways. See how that works for you.

One of your america west pilots suggested to Doug in the last meeting that he should let the pilots go on strike so "...Two thirds of us can then cross the picket line." Was that you?

 

[cleardirect]

One of your america west pilots suggested to Doug in the last meeting that he should let the pilots go on strike so "...Two thirds of us can then cross the picket line." Was that you?

Nope! I am not talking about a strike. My suggestion was for you guys to go to Parker and work on getting this split. Take your trash and leave.

 

[traderjake]

america west pilots pay history

I guess it's just a coincidence that the chart does not compare the last 5 years.

 

[Code Name V]

Nope! I am not talking about a strike. My suggestion was for you guys to go to Parker and work on getting this split. Take your trash and leave.

If we took our trash, we would still be stuck with you. I think you meant we should take out the trash and leave.

V

 

[traderjake]

BTW, I saw the "WARNING SEVER TURBULENCE AHEAD" Billboard by the airport...I burst out laughing.

The sad part is they have no idea how ridiculous it makes USAPA look.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't care what you put iafter it.

It's obvious that you don't care as long as the West pilots pay the price to make up for what turned out to be a sorry career for you. Luckily your wishes don't matter to a judge and jury.

Jim

ps: Despite your bravado hiding behind a keyboard, I suspect that there'd be a lot of moaning and groaning if US announced moving 10 A330 to PHX for the West pilots to fly with concurrent furlough of 150-200 East pilots...

 

[cleardirect]

I guess it's just a coincidence that the chart does not compare the last 5 years.

Those number don't even make sense. How do you go from 135,000 in 1998 to 119,000 in 2000 than JUMP to 157,000 in 2001 after BK and Sept 11? How do you go from 120,000 in 2005 but DROP to 91,000 in 2006 after averaging in the higher AWA wages?

These number are BS.

Us Airways $ 135,762 $ 128,722 $ 119,513 $ 157,090 $ 153,587 $ 154,638 $ 132,741 $ 120,124 $ 91,419 $ 103,487

Frontier went from $37,000 in 2000 to $102,000 in 2001? Sept 11th?

Delta 2004- 2005-2006 DROPPED $ 209,330 $ 155,532 $ 127,268 Really a drop of $53,798 and another drop of $28,264 the next year. A average total decrease of $82,000.00 in 2 years?

This chart is junk.

 

[cleardirect]

If we took our trash, we would still be stuck with you. I think you meant we should take out the trash and leave.

V

Nope! I am not talking about a strike. My suggestion was for you guys to go to Parker and work on getting this split. Take your trash and leave.

I guess you don't read to good. I said split. That means get away from me. Take your trash and LEAVE.

We do not want to be stuck with you. We want you gone. So work on Parker to split this or retire or quit. Don't care but leave. The sooner you all are gone the sooner the west can get to cleaning up the mess you have caused.

Ba Bye now!

Let's just see what kind of influence and control you have over usapa or usapa has over the company. Show us what you got.

 

[streaman]

It's obvious that you don't care as long as the West pilots pay the price to make up for what turned out to be a sorry career for you. Luckily your wishes don't matter to a judge and jury.

Jim

ps: Despite your bravado hiding behind a keyboard, I suspect that there'd be a lot of moaning and groaning if US announced moving 10 A330 to PHX for the West pilots to fly with concurrent furlough of 150-200 East pilots...

if they move 10 airplanes to the west do the pilots and stewardesses go with them