2014 Maintenance & Related & AMFA Cards

[AMFAinMIAMI]

AMFA & The AA mechanics ​

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All of us will at one point be under one Carrier Name, flying as well with the AA colors.​

 

Doesn't it make sense that we the Mechanics be under one Union?​

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The AA mechanics are and have been attempting to remove the TWU as our bargaining unit, You guys as well sent a message to the IAM during your contract that you were not happy had a vote to replace them and got WHAT? with this last deal by the IAM.​

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If you are tired as we are of the Big industrial unions that have kept our class and craft at the bottom isn't it time we all get together and sign AMFA cards so that we can re-boot the system and start over.​

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Your Pension with the IAM is safe, it always was no matter what you have been told by the IAM.​

It may stop growing, may stop being funded by the company, but it is Yours.​

If you retire and need to go back to work and  you stay in the industry it will stop,​

just ask the IAM if that is true or Not?​

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Cards are being collected system wide and if NOT at your station then you need to ask WHY Not and do what you can to get cards to your station.​

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Each week there is a call in which members of AA/US talk about what is going on and what can be done to stop this Association from getting off the ground. Were you happy with your negotiation Team? Did they do a good enough Job in your opinion?​

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We Don't think the TWU has with us and if you feel the same way about the IAM then it's time for you to do something about your future here at AA.​

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GET AND SIGN AN AMFA CARD​

 

[mike33]

Still don't have enough cards?.....Better hurry!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

As we get closer to the number of cards required it is going to even more important that each of us knows just what is at stake. Many are going to throw out all kinds of bs in an attempt to distract us from our goal.  Which is to remove the TWU and IAM so that this Association will not happen. Many of these distractors will not even have a say since they are not part of our class and craft. When you send in your card insure you ADD you email address so that you can be added to the data base so that as important info comes to light you can be kept informed.​

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Just how much info as to what is going on with the Association is being told to you?​

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Are they being upfront with information ?​

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Have you asked any questions to the IAM leaders, have they gotten back with you?​

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Paying dues is a must but it is also our right to know what is going on, so if you are tired of the I will get back with you and they NEVER DO, then it's time that we get cards signed so if and when we do find out which way the NMB is going rule, we will be able to submit the cards, get a vote and end this discussion one way or the other.​

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It's Your future and the future of our Class and craft.​

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When this merger is all said and done and when we go into Negotiations next time Don't you want to feel that You Can Have a SAY.​

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Ask the guy you work with if he has signed a AMFA card.​

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get involved, Lets ALL Make a Change that Will Make a Difference.​

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SIGN AN AMFA CARD TODAY​

 

[mike33]

AMFAinMIAMI !
 
 
Well we all know that the AA guys out number the US guys right?
 
If the Association in not voted in and AMFA gets in......Would not the MBA come into effect to protect the smaller employee group? ( us airways guys )
 
If that happened could the MBA impose a 2-1 situation whereby the AA guys make out because they are the larger union and the us airways guys lose? ( note the ruling on the WN/Airtrans merger )
 
For clarity to the readers please answer each specific question as a yes or no.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

AMFAinMIAMI !
 
 
Well we all know that the AA guys out number the US guys right?
 
If the Association in not voted in and AMFA gets in......Would not the MBA come into effect to protect the smaller employee group? ( us airways guys )
 
If that happened could the MBA impose a 2-1 situation whereby the AA guys make out because they are the larger union and the us airways guys lose? ( note the ruling on the WN/Airtrans merger )
 
For clarity to the readers please answer each specific question as a yes or no.

 
As discussed on the AA thread, the MBA came into effect the moment the AA/US merger was approved, the union doesn't trigger it.
 
As far as your second question goes, the MBA imposes nothing, if the parties can't come to an agreement through negotiations then they can settle the integration through a neutral arbitrator. The results would depend on the arguments put forth by either side, you might get 2-1 or you might get DOH, or you might get dovetailing, again it depends on the arguments put forth and how compelling they are to the arbitrator.
 
BTW- these aren't simple yes or no answer.

 

[mike33]

 
As discussed on the AA thread, the MBA came into effect the moment the AA/US merger was approved, the union doesn't trigger it.
 
As far as your second question goes, the MBA imposes nothing, if the parties can't come to an agreement through negotiations then they can settle the integration through a neutral arbitrator. The results would depend on the arguments put forth by either side, you might get 2-1 or you might get DOH, or you might get dovetailing, again it depends on the arguments put forth and how compelling they are to the arbitrator.
 
BTW- these aren't simple yes or no answer.

I agree they are not simple. You also left out the 1st question that AA is bigger than US !
 
There are many directions that this could go if AMFA was to prevail and get enough cards. The US guys are beginning to understand how thing may change. It's the risk factor as much as anything.
 
Has the MBA ever aged on DOH? ( you can't use the AA/US merger as an example because it was approved by the unions after BK even though it was in the MOU ).
 
Thanks for your response!

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I agree they are not simple. You also left out the 1st question that AA is bigger than US !
 
There are many directions that this could go if AMFA was to prevail and get enough cards. The US guys are beginning to understand how thing may change. It's the risk factor as much as anything.
 
Has the MBA ever aged on DOH? ( you can't use the AA/US merger as an example because it was approved by the unions after BK even though it was in the MOU ).
 
Thanks for your response!

 
I didn't respond to the 1st question because its rhetorical - really is there anyone here who doesn't know AA is bigger?
 
As to the rest, this is a copy of my response to you along these lines from the AA board.
 

 
So is that what this all boils down to...fear-mongering?
 
If seniority has already been negotiated between the IAM and TWU, AMFA winning an election tomorrow won't change that.

 

[AP Tech]

Pretty strong showing by my station with regards to AMFA Cards, but then again the same happened with the IBT......This little rift with TWU 591 vs the IAM/TWU may help...Overall most of the U mechanics suffer the old "battered wife syndrome"....scared to leave and keep coming back for more....

 

[TRAVIS]

Pretty strong showing by my station with regards to AMFA Cards, but then again the same happened with the IBT......This little rift with TWU 591 vs the IAM/TWU may help...Overall most of the U mechanics suffer the old "battered wife syndrome"....scared to leave and keep coming back for more....

Same here and I feel you on the OLD battered wife thing

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

AMFAinMIAMI !
 
 
Well we all know that the AA guys out number the US guys right?
 
If the Association in not voted in and AMFA gets in......Would not the MBA come into effect to protect the smaller employee group? ( us airways guys )
 
If that happened could the MBA impose a 2-1 situation whereby the AA guys make out because they are the larger union and the us airways guys lose? ( note the ruling on the WN/Airtrans merger )
 
For clarity to the readers please answer each specific question as a yes or no.

Mike33
 
If the Association is NOT Voted in and AMFA does, then there would not be a smaller group, we are assuming that the NMB is going to rule that US/AA are one transportation system and that both US/AA mechanics are one. Then all would have a vote if AMFA got in or Not.
 
How the McCaskill Bond will be done is not a given one way or the other the fair way IMHO is to take the occupational/classification time which is called different at US/AA but the same. Time in the job you are currently doing, and then just dove tail it one for one. What gets used as the second determining factor will again be decided by all.
 
Some may not like that idea but it should be done that way. We all have spent enough time earning our time as mechanics. How ever it is Done the entire group will have a say. I would hope that it will be done fair and swift so that we can move on to getting a JCBA that will be good for all mechanics at AA. We don't need to at odds like the CAL/UAL guys.
 
What happened at SWA/AT was an agreement made between the two parties and ALL voted that in. This has been told to all many times here on this site. Dead issue. The same with the DL and NWA guys. Dead issue.
 
Just a question for You Mike33.
 
You are not a mechanics we can assume, Y or N? If no then why do you care it won't effect you? What we as mechanics do, whether we keep the TWU or IAM or vote in AMFA won't effect any other work group. Oh and YES AA does have the larger work group. But everyone already knew that.

 

[P. REZ]

All you AMFA guys and gals crack me up. You act as if what has been holding all of you back is which Union name is associated with your group. Reality check, if you had strong leaders stand up it wouldn't matter what Union you belonged to. If you all get AMFA in and sit on the sidelines and ***** but do nothing you'll still get the same results. You should look in the mirror and ask yourself if you have done your part to make this a better place to work or have you just been the Monday morning quarterback and bitched? When AMFA doesn't cut it because everybody sits around and bitches and doesn't help by doing their part, then what? I don't want to hear the excuses either, boo effing hoo. Get off your asses and work together or you will always be weak.
 
P. Rez  

 

[psa8979]

Go ask a Former NWA Amfa Tech what they did for them . If your still not convinced how ineffective Amfa is i invite you to a IAM L-1781 meeting and introduce you to Retired UA Mechanics who should convince you . Every 2nd Wed at 1600 hrs. RD Hooton SFO   FS Agent/ Committee Man . 40 yrs . in the Industry . 4 Mergers since being hired at PSA at 17. Don't be fooled by Amfa .

 

[blue collar]

Of course AMFA won't work for them if they don't have leaders to step up. How do you think it's working for them now, with the 'leaders' they have? Their PDGC wouldn't even be an IAM member if were still turning wrenches, he's an ex-TWA guy.

 

[700UW]

He actually was Ozark.

 

[blue collar]

Ok. Point still remains though. He would've been TWA, now AA. Not represented by the IAM.