2015 Fleet Service thread

[Tim Nelson]

What I dont understand is how  given the facts anyone would not question what the ASS is doing. they are failing miserbly. You talk about brainwashed. Tim if you want out of the pension you should be pushing for  the TWU force a vote on the ASS

The Association is what we have at this time and our 100% focus is on securing a JCBA...yesterday. IMO, it makes no sense, at American at least, to force a change of Collective Bargaining Organization. Besides, I'm not comfortable with the TWU's awful job at American.

My focus, is on no further delay. If the Association is done playing tic tac toe with eachother and serve notice upon the company to commence negotiations, then I think we are within time frames to secure a JCBA soon. What I don't have patience for is the continual delay of preparation. 700 says they are preparing and taking their time for the best interest of the members. I disagree and say that the time for preparations has expired and they need to get their s*it together now. I also disagree with WeAAsles and 700 that the delay is Parker.  I think that is just them BSing to cover the Association.  I fully admit I could be wrong but I don't think Parker is the delay.  He has been very clear that he wants these JCBA and he has demonstrated that which each and every single union that has been at the negotiation table.  The problem we have is that we aren't at the negotiation table.
 
regards,

 

[700UW]

You disagree?
 
You have NEVER prepared nor negotiated a CBA in the airlines, so what vast knowledge and experience are you making this conclusion?
 
The company isnt ready, they havent pulled the 30 day trigger, now have they?

 

[cltrat]

 
 
The company isnt ready,....

not what I was told from a source I consider extremely reliable

 

[Tim Nelson]

You disagree?
 
You have NEVER prepared nor negotiated a CBA in the airlines, so what vast knowledge and experience are you making this conclusion?
 
The company isnt ready, they havent pulled the 30 day trigger, now have they?

My focus in on what the union does.  The union hasn't reached out and scheduled negotiation sessions as of yet have they?  Gosh I hope they aren't waiting on the company.  If they are, then now isn't the time to jerk Parker around.
As I said, maybe you are right, no I am not a negotiator, but I believe Parker at his word on this one.  And I measure that based on his actions, and  on the reality that every single union that has sat down across from his team has received a TA in record fashion.  So, at his time, I remain very very disappointed that our negotiation team has not prepared a comprehensive proposal yet and requested a negotiation session. 
 
Has the union reached out by letter to schedule negotiation times?   I mean the last correspondence we got from our union is that it simply was not prepared yet and was still in meeting mode with the TWU.  Why would anyone be presenting anything if the union was still having an intra union fit over seniority issues?
 
regards,

 

[Albert]

You disagree?
 
You have NEVER prepared nor negotiated a CBA in the airlines, so what vast knowledge and experience are you making this conclusion?
 
The company isnt ready, they havent pulled the 30 day trigger, now have they?

you are full of it, the company is ready and they have their wallet open. t is the ASS that is not prepared

 

[700UW]

If they aren't ready why would the schedule negotiations?

So Tim how many contracts and negotiating committees have you been on?

Have you even been to all the leadership classes?

Have you been to collective bargaining classes?

You love to throw stones and you have NEVER been on a negotiating committee, truly priceless.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If they aren't ready why would the schedule negotiations?

So Tim how many contracts and negotiating committees have you been on?

Have you even been to all the leadership classes?

Have you been to collective bargaining classes?

You love to throw stones and you have NEVER been on a negotiating committee, truly priceless.

No, I have never been in labor negotiations, nor do I want to waste my time at Leadership 1,2 or 3 when I see the sorta programmed leadership it turns out. I went the formal way with formal education. College, you know that sorta way. Are you suggesting that our members can't make reasonable conclusions about a TA? or the process of negotiations if they haven't been to the IAM's leadership school or aren't one of the 6 sitting on a negotiation team? Because if so, I beg to differ. When Sito and yourself supported the United contract, and Sito said it was a "Landmark" TA, I didn't have to be in negotiations to realize it was awful. While always convenient for you to blame the members, the United members weren't stupid. Sito and the asshat lawyers at Bush Gottlieb reviewed the contract language and put out a letter to everyone how the United members need to pass the TA2. Do I need a law degree to realize that Ira Gottleib was full of it? Of course not. Neither do I need to be on the negotiation team to draw a conclusion about what's taken. Like I said, I readily admit I may be wrong and that Parker is a liar, but I measure him not only based on what he says but on what he does. He has been 'spot on'. The ones who don't seem to be forthcoming has been our own negotiation team which, according to them, weren't even prepared and still working on preparing a proposal. Their words, not mine.

So, in conclusion, no, I don't believe your BS that Parker is lying out of his ass or sitting back stroking us. And I also don't think this is the time to jerk Parker around. Let's stop the internal struggle of 14 months and call it a draw, and schedule negotiations and have a proposal presented instead of 'working on it'.

regards,

 

[700UW]

Keep up the lies I never supported the UA CBA, and never took a sides.

 

[Albert]

Keep up the lies I never supported the UA CBA, and never took a sides.

Im waiting for the weekly update. What did the ASS accomplish this week?

 

[Albert]

If they aren't ready why would the schedule negotiations?

So Tim how many contracts and negotiating committees have you been on?

Have you even been to all the leadership classes?

Have you been to collective bargaining classes?

You love to throw stones and you have NEVER been on a negotiating committee, truly priceless.

Where were the ASS meetings this week. This is to some, life changing money. I dont want to be told by a union delegate  "whats the hurry you just got a raise"

 

[Tim Nelson]

Where were the ASS meetings this week. This is to some, life changing money. I dont want to be told by a union delegate  "whats the hurry you just got a raise"

I hate to tell you but 700's opinion "What's the hurry, you just got a raise" is what is being said by the Union bosses. It is insulting to me and I think I'm in the majority.

I think the last update was telling when the Association still couldn't figure out how to prepare a proposal and blamed Parker for lying. As I told 700, I think him and the union bosses are blowing smoke and that Parker wants a deal. I don't believe Parker is lying, I think it's our own union. And I'm not going on what Parker has said, i'm going by him stepping up and putting his words into action with every single union on the property who has stepped up for its members and entered the negotiation room. For the life of me, I have no idea why this is so complicated for our union bosses. 700 tells me that I simply don't know that this sorta thing takes a lot of time to figure out how to prepare a proposal, but the other unions had the same issues, yes? I mean, we were told by the IAM/TWU that we would be so far ahead of the CWA/IBT since we didn't have to have a union election. Yet, the CWA/IBT went in to negotiate immediately and had their s*&it together and came out with a TA before our Association could even get done wiping it's arse. That's the truth guys, and something needs to give. Am I right? And God forbid some middle east event or industry event happen that wipes out the $32 and any fair offers, all because the Association tells us "What's the fuss, you just got a raise".

regards,

 

[IAM Member Here]

Timmy, they came into  the breakroom right after the Delta raise and said the same thing, don't hurry you are getting raises for the next 2 years.  They don't care and they don't see that they need to be at the table right now. A big difference between a 2% raise and a 30% raise?

 

[IAM Member Here]

hey 700 you readily admit that Delta is non union and can cut their pay at any time.  So stop putting my pay in their hands.  Can Delta cut the pay next month?  Answer me that because I'm not too comfortable knowing that the Delta +7 is a direct result of what Delta makes.   You point out that the flight attendants jumped too early, and claim our union delaying will mean a lot more money because of delta, but isn't that assuming that Delta won't cut pay back as well?
Tim is right, let's get the money now and not assume that Delta or some world event isn't going to happen that will change what may be offered.

 

[Rogallo]

Can a mechanic now post in this thread as it has drifted into a non fleet service specific discussion?

 

[Tim Nelson]

hey 700 you readily admit that Delta is non union and can cut their pay at any time.  So stop putting my pay in their hands.  Can Delta cut the pay next month?  Answer me that because I'm not too comfortable knowing that the Delta +7 is a direct result of what Delta makes.   You point out that the flight attendants jumped too early, and claim our union delaying will mean a lot more money because of delta, but isn't that assuming that Delta won't cut pay back as well?
Tim is right, let's get the money now and not assume that Delta or some world event isn't going to happen that will change what may be offered.

That's a good point. 700 likes saying how Delta can change their wages at any second but is now standing on them as 'iron clad' telling us "No hurry, you just got a raise."

regards,