2015 Fleet Service thread

[Tim Nelson]

Can a mechanic now post in this thread as it has drifted into a non fleet service discussion?

why not? 700 isn't even an employee, and was a paid staffer as of the last LM2 report.

regards,

 

[Albert]

I hate to tell you but 700's opinion "What's the hurry, you just got a raise" is what is being said by the Union bosses. It is insulting to me and I think I'm in the majority.

I think the last update was telling when the Association still couldn't figure out how to prepare a proposal and blamed Parker for lying. As I told 700, I think him and the union bosses are blowing smoke and that Parker wants a deal. I don't believe Parker is lying, I think it's our own union. And I'm not going on what Parker has said, i'm going by him stepping up and putting his words into action with every single union on the property who has stepped up for its members and entered the negotiation room. For the life of me, I have no idea why this is so complicated for our union bosses. 700 tells me that I simply don't know that this sorta thing takes a lot of time to figure out how to prepare a proposal, but the other unions had the same issues, yes? I mean, we were told by the IAM/TWU that we would be so far ahead of the CWA/IBT since we didn't have to have a union election. Yet, the CWA/IBT went in to negotiate immediately and had their s*&it together and came out with a TA before our Association could even get done wiping it's arse. That's the truth guys, and something needs to give. Am I right? And God forbid some middle east event or industry event happen that wipes out the $32 and any fair offers, all because the Association tells us "What's the fuss, you just got a raise".

regards,

 Tim I agree 1000% I asked WeAAzles and 700 what is a fair timeframe and of course I got no answer. What will make the ASS listen to their members  or are we basically at their mercy. I could tell you, people here at LGA are pissed

 

[Albert]

Can a mechanic now post in this thread as it has drifted into a non fleet service specific discussion?

You were always welcome by me,  We work for the same company and are in the same s#$t  ASS

 

[Albert]

why not? 700 isn't even an employee, and was a paid staffer as of the last LM2 report.

regards,

 Im new here, you are saying Im paying 700 with my dues money?

 

[Rogallo]

why not? 700 isn't even an employee, and was a paid staffer as of the last LM2 report.

regards,

 
 

You were always welcome by me,  We work for the same company and are in the same s#$t  ASS

 
Well, ya know, some FSCs are very sensitive about non fleet getting in their business!
 
And vice versa.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I agree 1000% I asked WeAAzles and 700 what is a fair timeframe and of course I got no answer. What will make the ASS listen to their members  or are we basically at their mercy. I could tell you, people here at LGA are pissed

WeAAsles is independent and a free thinker, I just disagree with his confidence and I don't buy that Parker is lying. 700 is under direction of the IAM. he is not an American employee and is a labor consultant [see his facebook]. He often contracts with the IAM [See 2014 IAM LM2]. I don't have a problem with 700 as I think he is a strong union guy even though he isn't a union member that I know of. I just find myself disagreeing with him over several current issues. He harped on here how Delta is non union and can change their pay anytime, but then he doesn't seem to understand the urgency we need to resolve these JCBA talks that haven't even started yet. An urgency because we are standing on Delta wages in these talks every time 700 say "THe money is there". Well, he is right, the money is there, but it's based ENTIRELY on non union wages which can change at any given time. Easy for a Labor consultant to say that and expect us to pin our future wages on Delta management's moods. I want it in a contract like every other union on this property. I don't care for words, whether it's from our union bosses or otherwise.

regards,

 

[Albert]

WeAAsles is independent and a free thinker, I just disagree with his confidence and I don't buy that Parker is lying. 700 is under direction of the IAM. he is not an American employee and is a labor consultant [see his facebook]. He often contracts with the IAM [See 2014 IAM LM2]. I don't have a problem with 700 as I think he is a strong union guy even though he isn't a union member that I know of. I just find myself disagreeing with him over several current issues. He harped on here how Delta is non union and can change their pay anytime, but then he doesn't seem to understand the urgency we need to resolve these JCBA talks that haven't even started yet. An urgency because we are standing on Delta wages in these talks every time 700 say "THe money is there". Well, he is right, the money is there, but it's based ENTIRELY on non union wages which can change at any given time. Easy for a Labor consultant to say that and expect us to pin our future wages on Delta management's moods. I want it in a contract like every other union on this property. I don't care for words, whether it's from our union bosses or otherwise.

regards,

The ASS is really being foolish most people I talked to want nothing to do with it especially the AA people. This stalling  negotiations doesnt help the ASSes ratings

 

[AANOTOK]

 
 
 
Well, ya know, some FSCs are very sensitive about non fleet getting in their business!
 
And vice versa.

I don't think omitting complaints about what Fleet has, or what Fleet has taken, or Fleet has always been near the top, or any AMFA talk is too much to ask in a Fleet thread. I do think the mod set up different threads to prevent what happens all to often, a shouting match between FSC's and AMT's. The "vice versa" may have a completely different take on it...I wouldn't be shocked.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The ASS is really being foolish most people I talked to want nothing to do with it especially the AA people. This stalling  negotiations doesnt help the ASSes ratings

I agree. But the fact is that we have it. The focus has to be on negotiations. It is what it is. If they can get to negotiations fairly quickly then they have opportunity not to miss the window. The longer they wait, the greater risk of us being out cold. Unlike 700, I'm not too confident about saying "The money is there" when that is non union money we are talking about. Get what we can get now according to the CWA contract, and stop the madness of leaning on Delta management.

regards,

 

[Albert]

I don't think omitting complaints about what Fleet has, or what Fleet has taken, or Fleet has always been near the top, or any AMFA talk is too much to ask in a Fleet thread. I do think the mod set up different threads to prevent what happens all to often, a shouting match between FSC's and AMT's. The "vice versa" may have a completely different take on it...I wouldn't be shocked.

Lets sign a non-agression pact between MTC and Fleet and focus our energy on getting the ASS to the table.Lets face it the he said she said between fleet and MTC is silly. Both groups can agree the ASS is not working and someone has to step in. It could be a year before this gets resolved

 

[Albert]

I agree. But the fact is that we have it. The focus has to be on negotiations. It is what it is. If they can get to negotiations fairly quickly then they have opportunity not to miss the window. The longer they wait, the greater risk of us being out cold. Unlike 700, I'm not too confident about saying "The money is there" when that is non union money we are talking about. Get what we can get now according to the CWA contract, and stop the madness of leaning on Delta management.

regards,

 By not scheduling a  new meeting I feel the ass has taken a step backwards and that is not good

 

[700UW]

why not? 700 isn't even an employee, and was a paid staffer as of the last LM2 report.regards,

Tim your lying again I am not on any LM-2 for 2014 or 2015.

Want to start a war?

I will post all your antics for the past 20 years.

I was paid in 2013 from May till September for my work on the raid.

 

[Kev3188]

Keep up the lies I never supported the UA CBA, and never took a sides.

If I was at UA, I wouldn't want Klemm within 20 miles of the room...

 

hey 700 you readily admit that Delta is non union and can cut their pay at any time.  So stop putting my pay in their hands.  Can Delta cut the pay next month?  Answer me that because I'm not too comfortable knowing that the Delta +7 is a direct result of what Delta makes.   You point out that the flight attendants jumped too early, and claim our union delaying will mean a lot more money because of delta, but isn't that assuming that Delta won't cut pay back as well?
Tim is right, let's get the money now and not assume that Delta or some world event isn't going to happen that will change what may be offered.

Nothing wrong with using our (DL) current top out rate; just make sure the language ensures yours stays even if ours does not...

 

[WeAAsles]

why not? 700 isn't even an employee, and was a paid staffer as of the last LM2 report.regards,

Tim are you a masochist or something? The last time you started throwing rocks at people they nailed you upside down to a cross. All that dirt on you never goes away man and their are plenty of people who are more than happy to keep reminding everyone about it.

You're playing with fire again. Walking on coals that I know your feet aren't going to be able to handle.

360 now bro. You need to turn around.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim your lying again I am not on any LM-2 for 2014 or 2015.

Want to start a war?

I will post all your antics for the past 20 years.

I was paid in 2013 from May till September for my work on the raid.

Just pointing it out. You mentioned about me running as a candidate, and you are correct. So I'm mentioning that you aren't even an American employee but a labor consultant. My reference was correct about the LM2 for 2014, which covers 2013. Look, I'm fine with it. just checking you because you correctly checked me. Yes, I'm running for office and so my opinion may be admittedly biased. I don't think it is, but serving as a candidate may influence. That's why I got you and WeAAsles checking me. Keeps everyone accountable.

That said, we need to schedule negotiations. And if the rumor is true that the Association is now ready to proceed then I'll lay off of my comments, but now is the time.

regards,