2015 Fleet Service thread

[WeAAsles]

LUS bid their VC by Classification/Occupational...LAA bids VC by Company/Date of Hire...this is one of the differences.

Only one way to solve a problem like this. Flip a coin! There is no absolute solution.

Flip a coin.

 

[WeAAsles]

You pro Association supporters, and some of you were a**holes about it were warned. It was a bad thing when it was announced, and it only continues to get worse. You have already lost unrecoverable money so you better hope that the benefits and scope is so unbelievably strong that you can look past any negativity. I for one cannot and will not. Not so much the losses, but the fact that most of us knew these two organizations were running a system for their benefit and the members came second. And now, as predicted, this so called representation is harming it's members even more by it's inability to see eye to eye. Also be warned, there are more issues between the two than we are led to believe. NOTHING GOOD HAS OR WILL COME FROM THIS UNELECTED REPRESENTATION!

You're overreacting.

 

[Albert]

You're overreacting.

you said the same thing about me, but now you seem to be coming around to my way of thinking. Either that or your 20 year old car died

 

[AANOTOK]

You're overreacting.

Your underreacting...and I see your tune has hit a rough spot or two.
We will see when all is said and done if I'm eating crow or better yet, your voice cracks even more.
Again, the raise that you folks so proudly admit fell into the laps of the Ass folks will have the same
spending power as the raise we should have had months ago.
Also W, per letters, verbals, and 700 months ago, fleet seniority was decided eons ago. What's up,
why can't the Ass reps at least give us clarity on that situation? It's top secret and could possibly
cause the whole empire to collapse.
 
No W, always being passive is not always the best way. Accountability should be first and foremost.
Overreacting, no sir, paying good money for answers and action. Neither of which I am getting from
the "Association".

 

[AANOTOK]

Only one way to solve a problem like this. Flip a coin! There is no absolute solution.

Flip a coin.

What happen to majority rules, you know W, the Democratic and union way. Flipping a coin
goes against everything you preach about!
 
Another ridiculous scenario caused by the "Association"

 

[Albert]

 
 
LUS bid their VC by Classification/Occupational...LAA bids VC by Company/Date of Hire...this is one of the differences.

 
 

 
 
LUS bid their VC by Classification/Occupational...LAA bids VC by Company/Date of Hire...this is one of the differences.

Looking at LAA seniority list how can OCC time be earlier than company time assuming company time is date of hire?

 

[Tim Nelson]

What happen to majority rules, you know W, the Democratic and union way. Flipping a coin
goes against everything you preach about!
 
Another ridiculous scenario caused by the "Association"

sooner or later you will figure out that they dont know what they are doing.
Hopefully they fall into a decent contract and hopefully Parker doesnt start getting pissed at the unions petty bs.

regards,

 

[700UW]

And a man who cant get elected to the District or International knows more?
 
How many negotiating committees have you been on Tim?
 
How many CBAs have you merged in JCBA preparations?
 
How many JCBAs have you negotiated?

 

[Jester]

Then what are the differences betwwen iam and twu contracts?

regards,

 
Tim,
 
I'll tell you one section that struck me as a curious difference.  As we know, under the IAM contact furloughed agents have 4 years of recall rights with no loss of seniority during that time.  Simple example if a furloughed agent has 10 years, does not accept a transfer, called-back after 2 years the agent will have 12 years seniority.  However, under the TWU contract while there are 10 years of recall rights, after 90 days (or 60 days?) the agent begins to lose seniority on a day for day basis.  So using the example above, after 2 years, the agent would have been REDUCED their seniority to 8 years, 3 months!
 
While 10 years of recall rights would be pretty amazing in its own right, losing years of seniority might force many to  move in order to assure some quality of life issues to bid the preferred schedule especially if commuting.  Although I do wonder if one is losing seniority while on furlough, does that make other furloughed agents who transeferred move ahead of the first agent in terms of recall rights to the station?  Would a 9-year agent who transferred move ahead of a 10-year agent who didn't transfer after 2 years in recall rights if it is based upon some adjusted seniority?

 

[Albert]

And a man who cant get elected to the District or International knows more?
 
How many negotiating committees have you been on Tim?
 
How many CBAs have you merged in JCBA preparations?
 
How many JCBAs have you negotiated?

How many Associations have these two unions formed? It seems they cant agree where to order lunch

 

[dfw gen]

 
 
Looking at LAA seniority list how can OCC time be earlier than company time assuming company time is date of hire?

Company time is not necessarily your hire date. Company time is what was used for pension accrual. If you got laid off you person stopped accruing so you company time stopped. Occupational kept accruing because money was not involved.

 

[Albert]

Company time is not necessarily your hire date. Company time is what was used for pension accrual. If you got laid off you person stopped accruing so you company time stopped. Occupational kept accruing because money was not involved.

Thanks, so you bid shifts using OCC time. I didnt mean to change the subject the ASS still bites

 

[WeAAsles]

What happen to majority rules, you know W, the Democratic and union way. Flipping a coin
goes against everything you preach about!
 
Another ridiculous scenario caused by the "Association"

Because they designed the Association to be equal partners. If the seniority integration groups are like our negotiators you have 6 on one side and 6 on the other. If neither of the 6 on the two sides want to move from their positions then the easiest solution should apply.

You flip a coin and move on. Otherwise any time they get in a jam they can put that jam out for a vote from the members and we really will be waiting a very long time to get the JCBA done.

 

[Albert]

Because they designed the Association to be equal partners. If the seniority integration groups are like our negotiators you have 6 on one side and 6 on the other. If neither of the 6 on the two sides want to move from their positions then the easiest solution should apply.

You flip a coin and move on. Otherwise any time they get in a jam they can put that jam out for a vote from the members and we really will be waiting a very long time to get the JCBA done.

Its a merger there are going to be somethings that both groups dont like. I for one am not looking forward to rotating days off after 37+ years but what can I do? Its time to move on

 

[Albert]

Its a merger there are going to be somethings that both groups dont like. I for one am not looking forward to rotating days off after 37+ years but what can I do? Its time to move on

Oh and to add insult to injury here at LGA LUS has more flights than LAA yet because of  LAA business model they have a lot more people therefore we will be TWU