2015 Fleet Service thread

[WeAAsles]

i can understand your point. the problem i have is the comapny saying they are ready the negotiating committee saying they are ready (on the maintenance side) yet nothing is getting done, or secret.

I'm not going to believe what the company says over the people who are representing me. The last Association update said that they hadn't received anything from the company yet and that's what I'll fly with.

If true and the company says they are ready then they need to put their money where their mouths are and send over something for our people to look at.

 

[WeAAsles]

i responding to a question on here I did not mention one thing about amt. I mentioned things that are bothering both groups the lack of info and negotiations updates from the asso . The only people who still be leave in the asso are kool aid drinkers . You don't know me are my charter but me and most others that have been living in pay cut land are tired of it . I am a happy person went thru major surgery lucky to be a live. But like most people I'm ready for increased pay and benefits . I have seen you on amt threads unlike you I kept it on topic you don't want me on your board then you and others need to stop posting on the amt boards

You've gotten constant updates. It's just that those updates are not enough for you.

 

[bob@las-AA]

I wanted to add this little piece. Some people are floating around out there saying that they don't think we'll have a deal done until at least next summer, early fall? I personally don't "think" it's going to take that long.

In my career it's always been that whatever we bargain for is passed on to the agents. The agents on the AA side being non union was just how it worked out. There were even times they gave the agents a little extra something while waiting for us to come to a deal.

I think a good majority of what the CWA was able to secure in their TA is now at least a template for what the Company is willing to and will agree for our group? I'm certainly not saying it will be a precise mirror because we have our own items that we would like to secure and I really believe that our negotiators are working hard to try and put all of that together before they sit with the company?

Anyway Parker himself has said that our group shouldn't (or isn't expected) to take as long as the agents did (About 6 months) I again don't "think" we're going to take as long (a personal opinion)

What I really do hope to see when that TA IS sitting on my desk though is the language of compromises. I don't want to see an IAM US contract and I don't want to see a TWU AA contract. The language written in that contract (With some new surprises) will tell me how the two groups were really getting along with each other in there? Spoken words won't convey the same message that the written ones will send out.

If the language is dominated by one side or the others than honestly the whole notion behind the Association (For Unions not to fight each other) will have to be called a failure. Just stuck with each other because of a legal piece of paper. Bad feelings from one side towards the other will never be overcome if one side felt abused and compromise wasn't shown. (Compromise) Balance. Understanding the position and feelings of the guy sitting across the table from you. Showing each other respect while stepping back from the things YOU want for the greater good of the peace.

I really hope in the end that's how I wind up reading that TA? But that's up to those 12 men sitting in that room together with each other? Are you going to build those bridges so we can concentrate together on the real issues we have in front of us? Or?

"Choice"

Good luck next week Gentleman.

 
(Your)(sudden)(use)(of)(brackets)(makes)(me)(nauseous)

 

[WeAAsles]

(Your)(sudden)(use)(of)(brackets)(makes)(me)(nauseous)

They're used to emphasize something outside of the context of what's been written. They serve a purpose.

Anyway you stick with math and personal greed, and I'll stick with my personal style of writing. Thank you.

 

[700UW]

And they are parenthesis, not brackets.

 

[bob@las-AA]

And they are parenthesis, not brackets.

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[WeAAsles]

And they are parenthesis, not brackets.

Have to give that one to Bob.

 

[Albert]

 
Albert, it seems to me that the delay in our negotiations has been the way to go, given the fact that whether the Association did so intentionally or is struggling with mutual priorities, the industry has jumped higher than the stock market with raises left and right.  I'm siding with WeAAsles on this one as it makes good sense to see if the United Mechanics can get even more. It appeared as if the United MX was ready to sign a TA but now more is on the table. 
 
As we approach negotiations, much more will be on the table than what would have been on the table just two weeks ago.  Hold'em High! 
 
But after we establish the priorities that both unions agree to, and we do negotiate, then let's not waste any time, if possible.  I'm like anyone else, I want it all.  Scope, $$$,  you know the rest.
 
regards, 
 

Tim   If we wait for UAL MTC to come to an agreement will their rates apply to US fleet considering UAL fleet already has a contract.If it does will the company ask for UAL scope? This can drag on,I hope we dont miss the boat.

 

[AANOTOK]

i responding to a question on here I did not mention one thing about amt. I mentioned things that are bothering both groups the lack of info and negotiations updates from the asso . The only people who still be leave in the asso are kool aid drinkers . You don't know me are my charter but me and most others that have been living in pay cut land are tired of it . I am a happy person went thru major surgery lucky to be a live. But like most people I'm ready for increased pay and benefits . I have seen you on amt threads unlike you I kept it on topic you don't want me on your board then you and others need to stop posting on the amt boards

Hey cone, You are the one who did the complaining. The mod open two threads, one for AMT's and one for Fleet. I, unlike you, obeyed the mods wishes and posted in the Fleet thread. You on the other hand came over to the Fleet thread and started bashing the TWU/IAM and labeling the people who may not feel as you do. Take your bashing elsewhere. It's old and you now have your own little thread to scream your guts out. Seems pretty simple to me. Oh, and hoping for a speedy and full recovery for you!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim   If we wait for UAL MTC to come to an agreement will their rates apply to US fleet considering UAL fleet already has a contract.If it does will the company ask for UAL scope? This can drag on,I hope we dont miss the boat.

 
We don't want to miss the boat because, in this industry, the boat can leave on a dime. But, I would expect our negotiation team to incorporate industry developments, even if they are for different crafts, whether MX or Passenger service. At this point, holding the cards has been the winning card as long as the winning card gets cashed in prior to expiration.  As long as the two unions have everything prioritized very very soon, we should be in good shape. If they can't get things together after Chicago next week then maybe heads need to roll and skulls need to get cracking. I can't be sure, but it is appearing to me, that there are some struggles between the two unions as to which topics to prioritize when slicing the pie. Those are to be expected, and the timing will be perfect if they iron out all of them this week.  But if they dick around with another "We are preparing for negotiations" and will meet in DFW with the TWU for like the 10th time, I'm calling BS.
 
regards,
 

 

[Albert]

I'm not going to believe what the company says over the people who are representing me. The last Association update said that they hadn't received anything from the company yet and that's what I'll fly with.

If true and the company says they are ready then they need to put their money where their mouths are and send over something for our people to look at.

The CWA agreement tells me the company is ready and I agree with you the  Fleet compensation will be in the same ballpark. But to say you believe what the ass weekly form letters sounds a little odd for someone (Despite our differences , and your sophomoric name calling) I think is somewhat intelligent. Are you waiting for  comet hale-bopp to take you to salvation

 

[Albert]

 
We don't want to miss the boat because, in this industry, the boat can leave on a dime. But, I would expect our negotiation team to incorporate industry developments, even if they are for different crafts, whether MX or Passenger service. At this point, holding the cards has been the winning card as long as the winning card gets cashed in prior to expiration.  As long as the two unions have everything prioritized very very soon, we should be in good shape. If they can't get things together after Chicago next week then maybe heads need to roll and skulls need to get cracking. I can't be sure, but it is appearing to me, that there are some struggles between the two unions as to which topics to prioritize when slicing the pie. Those are to be expected, and the timing will be perfect if they iron out all of them this week.  But if they dick around with another "We are preparing for negotiations" and will meet in DFW with the TWU for like the 10th time, I'm calling BS.
 
regards,
 

Im already calling it B/S along with most of the dues paying members

 

[Tim Nelson]

Im already calling it B/S along with most of the dues paying members

 
I hope you are wrong. imo, it's premature. I was told that the two unions are almost complete with their negotiation strategy and priority and that they both intend to leave Chicago with an agreed upon strategy of where to negotiate the pie.
 
IMO,  I think scope should be lowered to around the 5 flights per day as agreed upon upstairs, with a station snapshot to also include all current stations as of 2015.  That would graft in JAX, RNO, PBI, etc as I don't believe any station should LOSE scope during billion dollar quarterly profits. And I fully expect Delta +3.   I'm not at all impressed with dumping a lot of the pie into the non guaranteed IAMPF, especially with the rules changed so pension trustees can also snatch retiree benefits. I hope the IAM negotiators aren't putting the IAM's interest ahead of the membership and negotiations.  Many US AIRWAYS members have been literally begging our negotiators to be wise and open up 401k match priorities over putting all the retirement eggs in the IAMPF.
 
Thus, I hope the TWU holds its position to consider retirement enhancements towards the 401k over tossing everything into IAMPF.  It seems to me that it makes no sense at all for the IAM negotiators to continue insisting on forcing retirement contributions solely into the IAMPF for us US AIRWAYS brothers and sisters. They need to stop it and put the members interest above the IAM's.
 
regards,
 

 

[WeAAsles]

The CWA agreement tells me the company is ready and I agree with you the  Fleet compensation will be in the same ballpark. But to say you believe what the ass weekly form letters sounds a little odd for someone (Despite our differences , and your sophomoric name calling) I think is somewhat intelligent. Are you waiting for  comet hale-bopp to take you to salvation

The Tortoise won the race Al, not the Hare. As a matter of fact the rabbit was then scooped up, put in a pot and was made into a delicious stew.

Think smart and try not to trip over your own laces man.

 

[Kev3188]

I hope you are wrong. imo, it's premature. I was told that the two unions are almost complete with their negotiation strategy and priority and that they both intend to leave Chicago with an agreed upon strategy of where to negotiate the pie.
 
IMO,  I think scope should be lowered to around the 5 flights per day as agreed upon upstairs, with a station snapshot to also include all current stations as of 2015.  That would graft in JAX, RNO, PBI, etc as I don't believe any station should LOSE scope during billion dollar quarterly profits. And I fully expect Delta +3.   I'm not at all impressed with dumping a lot of the pie into the non guaranteed IAMPF, especially with the rules changed so pension trustees can also snatch retiree benefits. I hope the IAM negotiators aren't putting the IAM's interest ahead of the membership and negotiations.  Many US AIRWAYS members have been literally begging our negotiators to be wise and open up 401k match priorities over putting all the retirement eggs in the IAMPF.
 
Thus, I hope the TWU holds its position to consider retirement enhancements towards the 401k over tossing everything into IAMPF.  It seems to me that it makes no sense at all for the IAM negotiators to continue insisting on forcing retirement contributions solely into the IAMPF for us US AIRWAYS brothers and sisters. They need to stop it and put the members interest above the IAM's.
 
regards,

Agreed. Any regressive moves w/r/t scope should be dismissed immediately.

As for a 401k match, I know I sound like a broken record, but a good fixed contribution and match both are much better for workers anymore. On top of that, moving away from a DB plan can often free up a lot of room under the company's "ask," that can be used for other things...