Fleet Service apathy

[saywhat]

Can anyone tell me how many GSE mechanics are in PIT?
Are they fairly senior on the list?

Ramp in PIT has at least 32 years so if they have GSE mechanics my guess would be similar seniority.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The TWU is working on the AA final offer and said it will put the contract out for a vote by May 14. The previous offer was a job cut of 4,500 of the 9,500 ramp jobs.

IMO, the US AIRWAYS agreements with the other unions at ARM will enhance the TWU's position to get AMR to adjust the contractual terms of the last offer. The last offer did have pay raises but the scope sucked real bad and threw complete classifications under the bus.

As aside, it's truly amazing how our IAM leadership said it was unbelievable that US AIRWAYS would negotiate labor deals for fleet service at another airline before it negotiates with him. I find it to be quite believable, especially since it has no respect for our leadership since our IAM leadership has consistently been a company mouthpiece for our US AIRWAYS members and agrees to company lockouts.

regards,

 

[roabilly]

The TWU is working on the AA final offer and said it will put the contract out for a vote by May 14. The previous offer was a job cut of 4,500 of the 9,500 ramp jobs.

IMO, the US AIRWAYS agreements with the other unions at ARM will enhance the TWU's position to get AMR to adjust the contractual terms of the last offer. The last offer did have pay raises but the scope sucked real bad and threw complete classifications under the bus.

As aside, it's truly amazing how our IAM leadership said it was unbelievable that US AIRWAYS would negotiate labor deals for fleet service at another airline before it negotiates with him. I find it to be quite believable, especially since it has no respect for our leadership since our IAM leadership has consistently been a company mouthpiece for our US AIRWAYS members and agrees to company lockouts.

regards,

Yea right...

I guess you think that the no other union was kept out of loop... what about the pilots... the flight attendants? Was Delaney and the IAM responsible for that too?

 

[CMH_GSE]

Ramp in PIT has at least 32 years so if they have GSE mechanics my guess would be similar seniority.

32 years is the minimum seniority for ramp? Thats a ton.

There should be GSE mechanics there, the contract says there is, I would like to know how many? I know there are around 90 GSE in PHL.

Anyone have any knowledge on this?

 

[ograc]

I am curious if anyone knows how many stations on the AA Fleet Service side are represented by the TWU. Additionally, a list of the stations represented. Before proposed wages for the remaining Fleet Service agents, with this proposed merger are considered, I believe we need to know this information. If this proposed merger goes through, and as a result the TWU wins representation rights for the remaining Fleet Service agents, this question needs to be brought to the light. For only those employees who remain "represented" will be entitled to the wage and job protection agreement. The agreement will be non applicable to the employees in non covered stations. IMO... herein lies the "synergies' of the proposed merger. The proposed wage increase, to those remaining represented, will be "cost neutral" to the company with the elimination of countless jobs (members on both sides) as they put the operational future of the two airlines together. IMO... this research has already been done, by US Airways and DP, before the proposal was presented to the AA unions. Does anyone have an authoritive answer to my first two questions? If so, it would be beneficial as we ponder this proposal.
ograc

 

[CMH_GSE]

I am curious if anyone knows how many stations on the AA Fleet Service side are represented by the TWU. Additionally, a list of the stations represented. Before proposed wages for the remaining Fleet Service agents, with this proposed merger are considered, I believe we need to know this information. If this proposed merger goes through, and as a result the TWU wins representation rights for the remaining Fleet Service agents, this question needs to be brought to the light. For only those employees who remain "represented" will be entitled to the wage and job protection agreement. The agreement will be non applicable to the employees in non covered stations. IMO... herein lies the "synergies' of the proposed merger. The proposed wage increase, to those remaining represented, will be "cost neutral" to the company with the elimination of countless jobs (members on both sides) as they put the operational future of the two airlines together. IMO... this research has already been done, by US Airways and DP, before the proposal was presented to the AA unions. Does anyone have an authoritive answer to my first two questions? If so, it would be beneficial as we ponder this proposal.
ograc

I count 42 stations and that includes all the hubs.
AA wants that number to go down to just 13.

Now, can you tell me how many GSE mechanics are in PIT and what their seniority looks like?

 

[wings396]

You would need someone from.mtc to research that for you. Most of the posters on here are from fleet svc.
I wouldnt count on anything in PIT, as it has been going away a little at a time for years...

 

[CMH_GSE]

You guys don't have access to the MTC list?

I only know PHL has around 90 mechanics because I saw a story about their new auto shop, it's pretty nice.

Do you know how many gates you still operate in PIT?

How many flts?

 

[wings396]

You guys don't have access to the MTC list?

I only know PHL has around 90 mechanics because I saw a story about their new auto shop, it's pretty nice.

Do you know how many gates you still operate in PIT?

How many flts?

As far as I know, nobody in fleet would have access to the GSE list since they fall under the MTC dept. I'm not sure how many gates US still uses in PIT, but the number of Mainline flts. is around 10 per day. Sorry I can't help you out with your request....

 

[ograc]

I count 42 stations and that includes all the hubs.
AA wants that number to go down to just 13.

Now, can you tell me how many GSE mechanics are in PIT and what their seniority looks like?

CMH_GSE,

Thank you for the information. When you say 42 stations is this inclusive of MTC. represented stations? I was specifically inquiring about how many Fleet Service stations are represented. Do you have a number on that? If so, what stations are they?
Regarding your question on how many GSE mechanics are in PIT and what their seniority looks like I cannot give you an authoritive answer to that. I am not stationed there. Hopefully, someone from PIT may be able to answer that.
Any light you may be able to shed on the Fleet Service represented cities under TWU representation would be greatly appreciated. They are two seperate bargaining units (MTC and Fleet).
ograc

 

[700UW]

I am curious if anyone knows how many stations on the AA Fleet Service side are represented by the TWU. Additionally, a list of the stations represented. Before proposed wages for the remaining Fleet Service agents, with this proposed merger are considered, I believe we need to know this information. If this proposed merger goes through, and as a result the TWU wins representation rights for the remaining Fleet Service agents, this question needs to be brought to the light. For only those employees who remain "represented" will be entitled to the wage and job protection agreement. The agreement will be non applicable to the employees in non covered stations. IMO... herein lies the "synergies' of the proposed merger. The proposed wage increase, to those remaining represented, will be "cost neutral" to the company with the elimination of countless jobs (members on both sides) as they put the operational future of the two airlines together. IMO... this research has already been done, by US Airways and DP, before the proposal was presented to the AA unions. Does anyone have an authoritive answer to my first two questions? If so, it would be beneficial as we ponder this proposal.
ograc

It doesnt matter if the TWU wins, you are still covered under the IAM CBA until a transition is negotiated.

 

[CMH_GSE]

CMH_GSE,

Thank you for the information. When you say 42 stations is this inclusive of MTC. represented stations? I was specifically inquiring about how many Fleet Service stations are represented. Do you have a number on that? If so, what stations are they?
Regarding your question on how many GSE mechanics are in PIT and what their seniority looks like I cannot give you an authoritive answer to that. I am not stationed there. Hopefully, someone from PIT may be able to answer that.
Any light you may be able to shed on the Fleet Service represented cities under TWU representation would be greatly appreciated. They are two seperate bargaining units (MTC and Fleet).
ograc

All 42 stations are manned with AA fleet that is represented by TWU.

AA wants that to be 13 with the 1113 terms. The so called "last best" offer from AA that we will get to vote on sometime soon may have a couple of stations added to that 13 number. Again, this is just FLEET manned stations. The number of Aircraft maintenance manned stations is much less than that. GSE maint. is in 42 stations but will go down to 13 if AA gets their way.

The fantom agreement between DP and AA unions probably increases this number somewhat, I have no idea, no one from TWU is giving up any details on the agreement while some details of the pilots and FA agreements have trickled out.

There are two seperate bargaining units (mtx and fleet) within TWU. My guess is if the merger happens the IAM will represent mtx and TWU will cover fleet, but thats just my guess.

Somebody over here must know someone that has access to a freakin GSE list. At least AA does that correctly, we have access to everybody in our jetnet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[blue collar]

I count 42 stations and that includes all the hubs.
AA wants that number to go down to just 13.

Now, can you tell me how many GSE mechanics are in PIT and what their seniority looks like?

Get ahold of the latest seniority list. You can count them up. Or call your agc and ask them. Don't work there anymore, so sorry, I can't help you.

 

[Harry Callahan]

There is a new update posted at
www.iam141.org

Harry

 

[roabilly]

Here is the link for the DL141 link Harry spoke of...

141 UPDATE CLICK HERE

It appears that talks have ground to a halt until either US... or theTWU makes the secret T/A available to the negotiating committee...