Fleet Service apathy

[roabilly]

roabilly,
the members are being asked to support a team cloaked in mystery. They are being asked to support a team put together, not on qualifications, but on where a candidate is located. With the percieved political strategy this will obtain votes. The US members are being mislead by this team that there are divisions within the district between UA and US members. They are being mislead that a vote for Occuppy 141 will remedy this "percieved" notion. Smoke and mirrors. When your team is short on experience and qualifications I guess you resort to this. The true choice in the upcoming election is between the ND team and The Leadership for Progress Team. Both of which have experienced and qualified candidates on the team. Would you agree?
ograc

Cargo you make more sense than Tim or Jester...

Tell me more about your ticket in terms of platform, experience, knowledge and stewardship. Do you have a website?

 

[roabilly]

In defense of the members, and the leadership team that was in place at the time, the 2005 agreement was not true contract negotiations. It was a final offer, proposed by the company, and subsequently accepted by the membership, under bankruptcy law. Similar to negotiating with a gun to your head. Turn this down and the company goes to the judge to abrograte the entire existing contract. As one from an outline station, I understand and respect the fact, we simply had no other choice, for the greater good. The alternative was not an option. I believe to this day, given the circumstances, we played the cards that were dealt to us. That being said, it's a new day, the company has emerged from bankruptcy and returned to profitabilty. It's time to regain some of which has been lost. It is time to realize our fellow sisters and brothers, throughout the system, are not the enemy. We need to unite for the common good.
ograc

Cargo...

The analogy of the "gun to the head" is dead on! Anyone blaming the IAM for this is misinformed at best... and spreading propaganda for political reasons at worst!

AA Fleet Service is in this exact position even as I write this. Ultimately the BK proceedings force the union into a concessionary posture and if they do not reach an agreement that is concessionary within a prescribed time… a judge “abrogates” the existing CBA and imposes concessions. It's sorta like... do you want to pull the trigger yourself… or would like for us to do it for you?!

Follow what the TWU is doing in this regard at this link right now for a real time education in the process.

 

[roabilly]

And a special shout-out to my Dear Mr. Roabilly... how's the list of New Direction teams successes during the past 3 years coming along, and did you figure your public disclosure as to any relationship with the current leadership?

So Prods Jester.

OK… Mr. Jester…

I suppose I will entertain your persistent inquiries… but this will be my last response to you… and you know exactly why…

First, I am NOT running for any position, nor am I affiliated in anyway with the current administration. I was a Senior Shop Steward for about 6 years… and I have received advanced training in several genres including Labor Law. I have participated in Step 2 and Step 3 hearings as well… including terminations that were successfully resolved with the Members returning to work. I did some humorous illustration work (Cartooning) as a professional private contractor under Tim Nelson’s direction for organizing purposes. Incidentally… we won ALL of those campaigns as far as I know.

Further, as a Steward… I served as the sole special liaison between Customs and Border Protection, the Company, and the IAM. Whereas some Members are denied what is commonly referred to as a “Customs Seal”. This seal is required by TSA and Homeland Security to work in my station. The Company has absolutely no jurisdiction over this, and is forced to either suspend, or transfer the employee to a station with no Custom Seal requirements when he or she is denied.

When a member is denied this credential… for reasons I will not elaborate on due to background investigation confidentiality… the CBP initiates an appeal process that has very strict timelines. Keep in mind, this is NOT a Grievance… I was operating completely outside of the CBA. It was just the IAM Member vs. the U.S. Government… and ME!

I’m very proud to say that every single Customs Seal denial that I worked on (and there were many)... was resolved… and the member was awarded their security credentials within two weeks, and subsequently returned to work!

Now… don’t you think that “IF” I were attempting to advance myself politically, and wanted to run for a position… I would have made this public months ago? Further, wouldn’t I be the one making videos… and proclaiming myself as the best candidate for Delaney’s job!

And just to clue you in something else… I did ALL of my appeal work at home on the same PC I’m typing this on right now… on my own TIME… for NO MONEY!

I leave you with this caveat… Alius est qui indicat te pondere fraudis!

 

[Jester]

Cargo you make more sense than Tim or Jester...

My Dear Mister Roabilly,

Did I awake you from your midnight dreary, weak and weary over a curious volume of forgotten lore... but 'tis some visitor tapping at your door, only this and nothing more? (With apologies to Poe and fore after).

So it seems you have avoided the questions, I have posed to you, but as I believe in leading by example, so I'll answer my own questions, and in a sign of reciprocity, you would do the same, as we are all in favor of transparence, right?

ARE YOU A CANDIDATE FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS AND ARE YOU PART OF ANY SLATE OF CANDIDATES? No.

ARE YOU A MEMBER OF MANAGEMENT AT THIS TIME OR ANY TIME IN THE PAST? No.

ARE YOU TIM NELSON? No.

ARE YOU EXPECTING TO BE PAID OR ARE YOU PRESENTLY BEING PAID FOR SERVICES RENDERED BY ANY IAM AFFLIATED INDIVIDUAL OR ORGANIZATION FOR DUTIES OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL WORK OF A FLEET SERVICE AGENT? No.

"Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful Disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore —
Till the dirges of his Hope that melancholy burden bore
Of 'Never – nevermore'."

"...Nameless here for evermore",
Jester

Edit: My post was written but not yet completed before Mr. Roabilly's response, but there are still some gaps of information.

 

[roabilly]

My Dear Mister Roabilly,

Did I awake you from your midnight dreary, weak and weary over a curious volume of forgotten lore... but 'tis some visitor tapping at your door, only this and nothing more? (With apologies to Poe and fore after).

So it seems you have avoided the questions, I have posed to you, but as I believe in leading by example, so I'll answer my own questions, and in a sign of reciprocity, you would do the same, as we are all in favor of transparence, right?

WOW.. I'm certainly humbled that you are infatuated with me... I don't think I've ever had "groupies"... wink...wink...

Ohhh... as far as the question... Are you Tim Nelson?... isn't everyone on here?

P.S Love the quotes from the "Raven" ... I stood in the same room where Poe wrote a few poems many years ago!

 

[ograc]

Cargo you make more sense than Tim or Jester...

Tell me more about your ticket in terms of platform, experience, knowledge and stewardship. Do you have a website?

roabilly,
Much to cover. I will provide you with all the information you ask for, but at the risk of a too lengthy post, let me start with my bio.
Employed in early 1980 in PIT. I was actively involved as shop steward and organizing with the Teamsters. Became a member of the IAM, Local Lodge 1976, in PIT in 1994 when the IAM won the election. At this time Fleet did not have their own local in PIT. We were originally put in the MTC. and related local. Served from 1994 as Shop Steward, Grievance Committee and eventually Grievance Committee Chairperson before transferring to my current station in August 98. I have served as Grievance Committee Chairperson in my current station since then until present. Additionally, I have served as the IAM Safety Representative in my current station for the past 4 years. I have attended Leadership 1 training at the IAM William W. Winpisinger Education and Technology Center. I am currently in my fourth term (3 year terms) as Recording Secretary for my local lodge. I've seen and learned a lot in my past 32+ years. I am running for AGC (2 year term) and feel I have something to offer. More info. concerning platform, other candidates on the ticket to follow. Website should be up within the next couple of days I'm told.
Respectfully submitted,
ograc

 

[roabilly]

roabilly,
Much to cover. I will provide you with all the information you ask for, but at the risk of a too lengthy post, let me start with my bio.
Employed in early 1980 in PIT. I was actively involved as shop steward and organizing with the Teamsters. Became a member of the IAM, Local Lodge 1976, in PIT in 1994 when the IAM won the election. At this time Fleet did not have their own local in PIT. We were originally put in the MTC. and related local. Served from 1994 as Shop Steward, Grievance Committee and eventually Grievance Committee Chairperson before transferring to my current station in August 98. I have served as Grievance Committee Chairperson in my current station since then until present. Additionally, I have served as the IAM Safety Representative in my current station for the past 4 years. I have attended Leadership 1 training at the IAM William W. Winpisinger Education and Technology Center. I am currently in my fourth term (3 year terms) as Recording Secretary for my local lodge. I've seen and learned a lot in my past 32+ years. I am running for AGC (2 year term) and feel I have something to offer. More info. concerning platform, other candidates on the ticket to follow. Website should be up within the next couple of days I'm told.
Respectfully submitted,
ograc

Hmmmm... I think I may know you... piper lane lodge?

 

[Tim Nelson]

roabilly,
the members are being asked to support a team cloaked in mystery. They are being asked to support a team put together, not on qualifications, but on where a candidate is located. With the percieved political strategy this will obtain votes. The US members are being mislead by this team that there are divisions within the district between UA and US members. They are being mislead that a vote for Occuppy 141 will remedy this "percieved" notion. Smoke and mirrors. When your team is short on experience and qualifications I guess you resort to this. The true choice in the upcoming election is between the ND team and The Leadership for Progress Team. Both of which have experienced and qualified candidates on the team. Would you agree?
ograc

There is no cloak.

OTOH, you are supporting a ticket that puts further restrictions on US AIRWAYS representation by reducing Eboard members and officer spots filled with US AIRWAYS members. Did Karen even allow you guys to have one 4 year AGC or did she dump them all to United? It's amazing how you equate the discussion of fairness to division. Me and you will just have to disagree ograc, I think it has been incredibly unfair how US AIRWAYS members have been treated and continue to be treated and Karen was a big reason for that. At any rate, having less representation isn't the answer but forces you guys to go 'solo' on our biggest hub, PHL. I don't think that most reasonable persons conclude as your bias does in that you are just '2 hours away' from PHL and can handle PHL from JAX? You can't possibly be serious?? Must be nice when the members get pissed off to be about 1,500 miles away! Further, your president has absolutely no District leadership experience and she herself supported contracting out cargo at her own UA. Never mind that her own people have NEVER supported or endorsed her as ORD has slammed the door on her again just like it always does. BTW, you need to ask her why she stood down back in 2002 when myself and Alex G presented a bylaw at the District convention to cut AGC salary. Her and Rich Delaney stood down on the matter.

Ograc, you have...what, two US AIRWAYS AGC's from hubs that include CLT and PHX and you decided not to bother with PHL since you can just fly up there from JAX when needed? Really ograc???

BTW, I will agree that both of your 'us airways agc candidates' from PHX and CLT have 'experience' as far as keeping a seat warm and having a few titles, but both have simply been gosh awful bigtime and incredibly unsuccessful with that experience. There is a strong reason why neither of them could have stood any chance whatsoever of coming anywhere close to being endorsed by their own coworkers at their station. Karen does this every year, just retreads the same people who have been consistently voted out.

Onward!

 

[roabilly]

roabilly,
the members are being asked to support a team cloaked in mystery. They are being asked to support a team put together, not on qualifications, but on where a candidate is located. With the percieved political strategy this will obtain votes. The US members are being mislead by this team that there are divisions within the district between UA and US members. They are being mislead that a vote for Occuppy 141 will remedy this "percieved" notion. Smoke and mirrors. When your team is short on experience and qualifications I guess you resort to this. The true choice in the upcoming election is between the ND team and The Leadership for Progress Team. Both of which have experienced and qualified candidates on the team. Would you agree?
ograc

Actually, Yes... I do agree... what I probably won't do is vote the whole N/D out for any particular ticket. I will however, look closely at you and others on your team as potential candidates to fill in some of the holes on the N/D line-up...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Roabilly I'm not telling you how to vote. I'm also not talking for everyone. We all have certain access to whatever means we use. This is not the best site to converse or engage the membership. I just feel more comfortable here. Others like FB. I believe most of the members here are very well versed and edeucated in the IAM. Strong members. I can agree to disagree with you. I have not dodged any questions. I just don't have all day to spend on the internet. Like I've stated I have two full time jobs and members livelyhood at stake. I work 24/7. I also have a family and try to squeeze them in as I can. They and the members here have been very supportive.

Niblet,

Roabily refuses to address how the ND was so incredibly soft in negotiations at Hawaiian and United and even signed a letter of support at US AIRWAYS to support the continual lockout of US AIRWAYS stations. Most troubling is that there appears to be a merger at US AIRWAYS and the ND has already shown it is incredibly and uniquely soft with management on merger negotiations. All US AIRWAYS members need to focus on how the ND destroyed the negotiations at United. They were in their 3rd year of negotiations then tossed it all away and hit the push start button with 'new' negotiations and new proposals and new surveys. Amazingly, after 3 years, the ND decided to pull out of what they said they were going to finish, and flipped like a pancake and signed support letters with management to scrap United negotiations and instead start transition negotiations. To be sure, there will have to be transition negotiations to further a merger but it is morally wrong to sign on to such talks to further a merger for managements sake without FIRST obtaining any considerations $$$$ for the members. The IBT got $59 million in consideration JUST TO ENTER transition talks as it held firm and told management "We are fine with transitions but you have to compensate our members first." AFA netted $40 million JUST TO ENTER transitions.

What does the ND do, they hand out IOU's and tell the members that it supports management on transition talks. Cripes, let the managers tell us that, we don't need our union reps speaking as management mouthpieces!

What does that mean for US AIRWAYS negotiations? What it means is that you currently have a mirage. Since Delaney hoodwinked United members with 3 years of talks then dumped the talks for transition talks, then you should expect the same thing, i.e., a few years of negotiations at a snails pace then being tossed in with AMR fleet service for transition talks. FWIW: Transition talks usually take 3-5 years so it makes absolutely no sense for anyone who rightly understands negotiations to vote for ND. Nobody will be getting anything for 5+ years if there is a merger with the ND leadership.

At any rate, there is a reason why ND supporters point to the future and not the past 4 years as NONE of them want to discuss the destruction at United or Hawaiian and such destruction that has already headed your way at US AIRWAYS. And, to be sure, NOTHING is going to change unless we smash down the structure of the paternal paradigm that this district continues to employ.

Onward!

Video: This is how you do it

 

[Dog Wonder]

Niblet,

there is a reason why ND supporters point to the future and not the past.

The only person finding anything to crow about in Tim's past is Tim.

There is no shortage, ad nauseum, to his pointing to the future.

Carry on.

 

[ograc]

Hmmmm... I think I may know you... piper lane lodge?

No sir. LL 731.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The only person finding anything to crow about in Tim's past is Tim.

There is no shortage, ad nauseum, to his pointing to the future.

Carry on.

Huh?

I have no problem pointing to the past. I am the only Presidential candidate that has successful experience in a leadership role of this great District. Obviously, the IAM leadership didn't have a problem with my past because they appointed me. Your comments make no sense, given the position I held on the members dime.

Cripes, Delaney trusted me with his own IAM membership card and I delivered. And the US AIRWAYS membership supported and endorsed me in all 3 hub locations even though I had to claim the nomination by walking through the establishment at each Local. That's the scoreboard brother! It's very hard to get nominations from hubs and they don't hand out nominations to brothers or sisters that they don't know. They have spoken and I continue to be honored! The membership is full aware that the ND has done nothing and we are bringing them information on how terrible the ND has been with Hawaiian and United.

Onward!

 

[ograc]

Actually, Yes... I do agree... what I probably won't do is vote the whole N/D out for any particular ticket. I will however, look closely at you and others on your team as potential candidates to fill in some of the holes on the N/D line-up...

Fair enough roabilly. In the upcoming 2 months we intend to visit several stations to introduce ourselves, listen to members' concerns and give them an opportunity to learn more about the candidates who seek their support. I will post more info. on this forum as well. I appreciate your consideration.
Hopefully I'll get a chance to meet you. You seem well versed in the history of the IAM and US Airways.
ograc

 

[700UW]

You talk about saving money, how smart is it to continue Section 6 Negotiations, then turn around and have to spend more money to negotiate a single CBA, mean while leaving the CO rampers hanging out to dry as they CBA is a POS and offers no scope protection?

Leadership role?

Filing short on cards at AirTran is leadership?

I dont think so.

What have you lead?

Lead any step III hearings? Arbitrations? Negotiations?

Nope!

No leadership there!