Fleet Service apathy

[roabilly]

As we have seen, an experienced agc doesn't always equal a good one. If they are more for themselves than they are the members, what good are they? I'm willing to give others a shot with the hope that they deliver what the others haven't.
Based on what I have learned on here so far, Tim will be my choice. None of the other candidates have even had the nuts to go by their real name up to this point, while Tim has always done so. This speaks volumes alone.

Question: Are you on Tim's ticket?

(I present the same question to Rockit2)....

 

[robbedagain]

i know wings personelly and no he is not on Tim's ticket but like wings said, give any one a shot who is will to stand up for our membership and sell us down the river...canale did andso far in the 4 yrs that RD hasbeenin office what has been down for FSA....NOTHING

 

[Dog Wonder]

Wings,

Ograc, wants you to believe that fairness is a dirty word.

Sheesh!

Do you speak for Ograc?

You left Cripes out.

Carry on.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

I see the DOL getting involved with this election once its all said and done.

I was told that the DOL was running the election because of the lawsuit filed on the 2010 election!

 

[UnitedWeStand]

And not everyone on the Occupy ticket will be there to do it. 2 of them are just filling in the blank spaces I'm gathering is what others are saying. Meaning they are not able to be AGC but are able to be on a ticket and replaced afterwards. So, who the hell are you voting for? Appointees?

I think it is more than that to be honest. Mr. Nelson always gave play by plays during elections. This time he has been silent on the nomination results. Like posters have said prior, it's not what is said but what is not said that that I am trying to pay attention to. He has not touted who specifically on his slate has made it through the nomination process. The nomination process is key because no one can be appointed to the slate without going through the nomination process first. The rules are all in the constitution and bylaws!
I can't make out from the discussions from this and other forums how many members of the Occupy slate have made it through the vetting process. The only people that he can "fill" on his slate will be from the other slates who made it through the process. Am I right or wrong? So his slate will no longer be pure but rather mix and match.
I am scared that this election will be decided by the new members at Continental that don't know better. Mr. Nelson is very acute in understanding that the only sheep to be found would be at Continental. I am sure he had alot of face time with these new members in his old position as an organizer. Putting these people on his slate was a great tactical move.

 

[ograc]

I think it is more than that to be honest. Mr. Nelson always gave play by plays during elections. This time he has been silent on the nomination results. Like posters have said prior, it's not what is said but what is not said that that I am trying to pay attention to. He has not touted who specifically on his slate has made it through the nomination process. The nomination process is key because no one can be appointed to the slate without going through the nomination process first. The rules are all in the constitution and bylaws!
I can't make out from the discussions from this and other forums how many members of the Occupy slate have made it through the vetting process. The only people that he can "fill" on his slate will be from the other slates who made it through the process. Am I right or wrong? So his slate will no longer be pure but rather mix and match.
I am scared that this election will be decided by the new members at Continental that don't know better. Mr. Nelson is very acute in understanding that the only sheep to be found would be at Continental. I am sure he had alot of face time with these new members in his old position as an organizer. Putting these people on his slate was a great tactical move.

A great tactical move for nomination endorsements but in the end nominated candidates who are not eligible to run for office. The focus of this election should be about putting the most qualified people in office. We will have a clearer picture, once the DOT releases the names of the endorsed and eligible candidates, whose names will appear on the ballot in June. The waters are quite murky right now. This is how some need the environment to remain in order to achieve their goal. In time the waters will clear.
ograc

 

[UnitedWeStand]

Hey all you intellects, vote for karen or delazey just to shove it up Tims arse, you people don't realize this could be our moment. If Tim is elected US would have recognition unlike the past. Go ahead vote for Rich and Karen, you'll make your bed and lie in it too. Get over your personal bullshit and think about the big picture, not the small left hand corne. You guys would cut off you hand just to be the tough guy and then end up on welfare. Rich doesn't care and the belly warmer doesn't either. By the way, all you know it alls vote for Romney too.

"Frailty, thy name is Nelson"

I haven't seen this term used in a while. I think it was coined by Mr. Nelson. Hmmm!

 

[wings396]

No, I'm not on anyone's ticket. Just been around long enough to be fed up with how the membership has been treated by this union. I/we have much less all around than we did 15 years ago, yet we keep paying more in order to get less.....something is wrong with this picture.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

A great tactical move for nomination endorsements but in the end nominated candidates who are not eligible to run for office. The focus of this election should be about putting the most qualified people in office. We will have a clearer picture, once the DOT releases the names of the endorsed and eligible candidates, whose names will appear on the ballot in June. The waters are quite murky right now. This is how some need the environment to remain in order to achieve their goal. In time the waters will clear.
ograc

You misunderstand what I am saying. I am saying that he can now tell the Continental members who I think outnumber the United members: "Vote for me. I am the only one who wants Continental representation on my ticket!" That is the tactical side in my opinion. What they don't know is that he could have run them in a position that did not have the 2 year requirement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is why RR and CL were slotted as VP from the former America West Group out of PHX in 2008.
Other interpretations can be gleaned from this but being "to stupid and uninformed to understand the rules" is not one.

From my understanding, and you should know better I with your position on an e-board, the DOL not the DOT is involved in union elections. I believe they act more in an over site capacity rather than actually running the show. I believe the The District will be in control of tabulation with the DOL looking over their shoulder. (District bylaws article VIII section 6(f)(g)).

 

[Tim Nelson]

I was told that the DOL was running the election because of the lawsuit filed on the 2010 election!

You are correct. The DOL is actually supervising this election and holding our hands like children because the Secretary Treasurer decided to support Delaney in casting off a member who received the necessary nominations in 2010. It's actually thoroughly embarassing let alone all the additional cost of having federal oversight in this election.

Onward!

 

[700UW]

If they are not eligible for office then that violates the bylaws and/or the constitution and their names should be removed from the ballot. I was the RS for 1725 and ran local, district and international elections. This will be grounds for a protest.

The DOL doesn't charge money to oversee an election. More mis-truths from Tim.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think it is more than that to be honest. Mr. Nelson always gave play by plays during elections. This time he has been silent on the nomination results. Like posters have said prior, it's not what is said but what is not said that that I am trying to pay attention to. He has not touted who specifically on his slate has made it through the nomination process. The nomination process is key because no one can be appointed to the slate without going through the nomination process first. The rules are all in the constitution and bylaws!
I can't make out from the discussions from this and other forums how many members of the Occupy slate have made it through the vetting process. The only people that he can "fill" on his slate will be from the other slates who made it through the process. Am I right or wrong? So his slate will no longer be pure but rather mix and match.
I am scared that this election will be decided by the new members at Continental that don't know better. Mr. Nelson is very acute in understanding that the only sheep to be found would be at Continental. I am sure he had alot of face time with these new members in his old position as an organizer. Putting these people on his slate was a great tactical move.

UnitedWeStand,

The occupy team will ask for the membership to vote for the required 10 2yr agc's. Our current ticket will only be representative of 8 since the two continental rampers will be removed. But, make no mistake, there will be 2 2year agc's that will backfill our ticket, have been qualified, and you will know. And, sorry for the omission but all of our candidates got the required nominations.

The US AIRWAYS hubs showed their support for me by endorsing me overwhelmingly at each hub because they know me best. It's an honor for me to have received the unanimous hub endorsements, especially when the establishment wanted to keep the status quo. Also, each of our US AIRWAYS AGC's, from the hubs, also received the full endorsements, even though the establishment fought hard to keep the status quo. No other ticket had a US AIRWAYS AGC receive unanimous hubs support. It is the purest indicator that the US AIRWAYS members are receiving the message that they have only been treated 'second best' in this union, and the Occupy 141 ticket is addressing that and will make the US AIRWAYS members as equals with United finally.

Onward!

 

[UnitedWeStand]

You are correct. The DOL is actually supervising this election and holding our hands like children because the Secretary Treasurer decided to support Delaney in casting off a member who received the necessary nominations in 2010. It's actually thoroughly embarassing let alone all the additional cost of having federal oversight in this election.

Onward!

Mr. Nelson I tend to agree with 700UW in that right is right. I did read the decision of the court. What I took from it was not that the Union was wrong in not allowing the member to run because he didn't meet qualifications of the constitution and bylaws, but that it "felt like it was the right thing to do." You know better than I being in the loop at the time, but from what I read from the information released by the courts, the International was the body that decided he could not run.

 

[700UW]

The ST of DL 141 will declare them ineligible, they shouldnt even be on the ballot if they are not eligible, if they are the election is ripe for a protest.

I urge anyone in 141 to call the District or the DOL and get this removed now, otherwise you will be running another election.

And Tim you know this is true, and they shouldnt even be on the ballot, they have to meet the requirements to be on the ballot.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If they are not eligible for office then that violates the bylaws and/or the constitution and their names should be removed from the ballot. I was the RS for 1725 and ran local, district and international elections. This will be grounds for a protest.

The DOL doesn't charge money to oversee an election. More mis-truths from Tim.

700, you have no idea what you are ever talking about because you operate in second hand hearsay or have true reading comprehension problems. I choose to believe that you aren't so evil as to just purposely be deceiving. Kindly, review all the postings and kindly review the bylaws and nominations procedures. Nobody violated anything and none of the 3 tickets, as far as I know, have protested a thing.

As far as the DOL. Again, you are simply incredible. Do you not even understand in the slightest the resources that the district had to at least initially put forth in fighting the DOL since it took the position that the DOL was in error? All the extra preparations of the District and....oh never mind, you will still think oversight is free. To the audience, one thing you should know is that anytime there is federal oversight, it cost more money. More time, more everything. You can thank Delaney/Atkinson for it. Maybe if they actually knew their bylaws and followed them, then we wouldn't be one of the very few unions that are embarassed enough to need the federal government to oversee our election.

Onward!