Fleet Service topic 9/28-10/11

[The Janitor]

Big Al is working with Canale to finalize IAM support for the new attendance and discipline policy. Canale probably would like nothing better than to screw IAM members even more during his last two weeks.
The company needs the support of the leaders of the CWA and IAM to pull this off since the contractual continuity laws make it impossible for a company to change normal and customary rules and policies in the middle of a contract. Court cases are clear on this and your contract is a normal contract that includes these continuity clauses.

The CWA leadership is already on board and set for company training on this and so is the IAM leadership. No fight from GS here in PHL either. Haven't heard from the New Direction team but I would think they would not support a more restrictive discipline policy and would force big Al to arbitrate.

Without IAM support, the new attendance and discipline policy is eventually dead. And any grievance that leads to arbitration on this would have to ask for all discipline, including terminatin, that occured under this policy to be stricken from record. And that would create a true headache for the company if it had to reinstate tens of workers who were fired, with backpay, as a result of an attendance or discipline policy that violated contractual continuity clauses with its workers. It's why you have a union. That's why it is important for Big Al to have IAM support in this so that station managers can hammer and fire more workers. The CWA does whatever it wants and so did Canale but hopefully there won't be any new LOA that Randy signs that incites your company to be more vigilant in terminating more IAM members.

 

[P. REZ]

Big Al is working with Canale to finalize IAM support for the new attendance and discipline policy. Canale probably would like nothing better than to screw IAM members even more during his last two weeks.
The company needs the support of the leaders of the CWA and IAM to pull this off since the contractual continuity laws make it impossible for a company to change normal and customary rules and policies in the middle of a contract. Court cases are clear on this and your contract is a normal contract that includes these continuity clauses.

The CWA leadership is already on board and set for company training on this and so is the IAM leadership. No fight from GS here in PHL either. Haven't heard from the New Direction team but I would think they would not support a more restrictive discipline policy and would force big Al to arbitrate.

Without IAM support, the new attendance and discipline policy is eventually dead. And any grievance that leads to arbitration on this would have to ask for all discipline, including terminatin, that occured under this policy to be stricken from record. And that would create a true headache for the company if it had to reinstate tens of workers who were fired, with backpay, as a result of an attendance or discipline policy that violated contractual continuity clauses with its workers. It's why you have a union. That's why it is important for Big Al to have IAM support in this so that station managers can hammer and fire more workers. The CWA does whatever it wants and so did Canale but hopefully there won't be any new LOA that Randy signs that incites your company to be more vigilant in terminating more IAM members.

Management in PHX has already admitted that numerous employees will be canned with this new attendance policy.

P. Rez

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Management in PHX has already admitted that numerous employees will be canned with this new attendance policy.

P. Rez

What is the new attendance policy?

Rogue

 

[freedom]

What is the new attendance policy?

Rogue

oh that's easy , haven't you heard .. the new attedance poilcy is

YOU CAN NEVER CALL IN SICK ..... EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yeah that's right , our CONTRACT , "SAYS" we have sick days , but try using them and see how fast you get written up ... it's B.S i tell you , B.S .... not to mention that PHX admin (so i hear ) has been on a firing spree lately ... stick your head up and your likely to get it chopped off ..

they really need to ease off the termination spree .. morale is being destoryed here ..... not to mention there's now a cuture of fear running through our work place .... :down:

 

[Hadenough]

Well....Well.....Well. Looks like the reality of our POS contract is finally setting in.

Reality sucks don't it Freedom

 

[necigrad]

Freedom, what are you complaining about? You knew (or should have) nown about that when you voted yes. YOU voted for it, not we all have to live with it. You have zero rght to complain about it.

 

[freedom]

oh , don't get me wrong had enough .... i personally needed this contract , changed sick policy and all , without it , i'd have been unable to continue living .... when gas was spiking to 4 dollars , if i had been on the TWU wage scale , i'd have been a goner for sure ....

and i should remind you (as i so like to ) as i predicted , the economy is worseing .. i said it before back then that we needed to pass the TA because the times ahead were going to become very rough , and i stand behind those statments today .....

While i'm no stock broker , or wall street expert , if you want some free advice , i'd wait till after the market spikes up after the bail out is announced and then at the peak of the spike , if any of you have stock , i'd suggest you sell for what little you can get .. we stand here today on the CUSP of the great depression ... perhaps with one foot in the pool already ....

 

[mike33]

Mike33,

Again I don't know too much on how the HP fleet got one date but I think that P. Rez can help out on that one.


Our seniority list was just done differently than the east seniority list. So now it appears the west got date of hire. The wests hire date is actually an adjusted date for many employees hired before 1999. For instance my date of hire is listed as 5-16-87 when it is actually 11-10-86. Hope this helps.


P. Rez

P.Rez

I do remember seeing a list that was Bid Date and Hire Date, so Bid Date was probably the same as Class date one would have to assume.

Do you think they converted Bid Date to hire date and thats the reason for one date?

Mike

 

[mike33]

P. Rez

Did the committee have any function in deciding how the list was printed?

The reason I ask is because there are F/T on the list that are still furloughed and they are on the list before P/T that are working and the P/T ( on recall ) are senior to the furloughed people. There is no designation that I saw that designated that! Some on the list are still on the street, so the list is not really a true " Working List".

Mike

 

[john john]

A lot of West folks weren't hired as Fleet. In Vegas alone we have both former CSRs, Inflights, and Res agents. They have hire dates adjusted to when they entered the workgroup. If someone joined the Company in June 17, 1990 as an inflight, bt went to the ramp on November 11, 1996 their hire ate would be 6/17/90 and their adjusted DOH would be 11/11/96. This became far less common as time went on. In mn other cases, I believe including PRez, some were hired as temps. They didn't get classification senority until becoming a regular employee, and only then effectinve that date.

US east had numerous administrators and office personal transfer to passenger service group and got to kept DOH regardless of there origination if they were in the passenger service group before the union was voted in they got DOH.NMB has guide lines for class and craft.. As for HP/west CSA I believe all got DOH regardless of there origination

 

[NevadaHP]

This atendance policy has been tried with HP/TWU and the company wanted to wait for section 6. This atendance policy should have been done through transition talks and voted on. Theres no place for this non-sense now unless the workforce benefits and i can guarantee on the west no employee will benefit. The west attendance policy is so loose and arbitrary and different for every employee and station system wide. The company knows this and are very afraid of pending attendance arbitrations. There does need to be a consistant policy but should be voted on by the membership, not someone who is going to retire in 20 days and was voted out by the membership. I would encourage all FSE to call their grand lodge rep and complain vehimantly to stop Canale from doing this. Leave it to the New Direction or wait for section 6. The company should not be able to change our contract in the middle, we cant so why should they.

 

[roabilly]

Awlright…

I got one fer yahh…

Why is it… that something as “cost neutral†as ah friggin’ Adjusted Classification Seniority date… so adamantly adhered to… by both the Union and the Company? In the past (Under the Canale regime) I was told by the IAM… that adjusted classification was recognized to prevent “managers†from bumping back into fleet service and getting awarded their service time as managers.

Hmmmm... there’s ahh skunk intha hen house here! Why penalize every single swingin’ Fleet weenie fer ahh few friggin’ managers that “might†try to bump back? Managerial Classification time can easily be dismissed from our CBA with nothing more than a simple Letter of Agreement!

That dawg don’t hunt!

PJ… yes… “Theyâ€â€¦ not… “Usâ€â€¦ ratified this CBA containing language that seems to cement Adjusted Classification… however… I hope that you remember that CLT submitted a petition with hundreds of signatures opposing ACD and asking for DOH. We were told that a “committee†was working on a seniority integration list. The Canale regime communicating ambiguous overtures as to how this list would actually be formulated… just in time for posting… after…tha vote!

I still say it’s ON!

ND08... This yer baby… even though Canale fathered it!!

 

[Speedbird1]

Awlright…

I got one fer yahh…

Why is it… that something as “cost neutral†as ah friggin’ Adjusted Classification Seniority date… so adamantly adhered to… by both the Union and the Company? In the past (Under the Canale regime) I was told by the IAM… that adjusted classification was recognized to prevent “managers†from bumping back into fleet service and getting awarded their service time as managers.

Hmmmm... there’s ahh skunk intha hen house here! Why penalize every single swingin’ Fleet weenie fer ahh few friggin’ managers that “might†try to bump back? Managerial Classification time can easily be dismissed from our CBA with nothing more than a simple Letter of Agreement!

That dawg don’t hunt!

PJ… yes… “Theyâ€â€¦ not… “Usâ€â€¦ ratified this CBA containing language that seems to cement Adjusted Classification… however… I hope that you remember that CLT submitted a petition with hundreds of signatures opposing ACD and asking for DOH. We were told that a “committee†was working on a seniority integration list. The Canale regime communicating ambiguous overtures as to how this list would actually be formulated… just in time for posting… after…tha vote!

I still say it’s ON!

ND08... This yer baby… even though Canale fathered it!!

Well said, Roabilly!
How do we go about correcting East operating under adjusted date, while West get's date of hire? Any Union guys care to weigh in on this? Somebody, Joe Dirt I think, said this was done by 3 West agents and 3 East agents who had their own interests at heart, instead of doing what was fair for the entire membership.

 

[P. REZ]

Well said, Roabilly!
How do we go about correcting East operating under adjusted date, while West get's date of hire? Any Union guys care to weigh in on this? Somebody, Joe Dirt I think, said this was done by 3 West agents and 3 East agents who had their own interests at heart, instead of doing what was fair for the entire membership.

I was on this committee and have been on record stating DOH is my preference. West did not get DOH.


P. Rez

 

[JoeDirt]

Well said, Roabilly!
How do we go about correcting East operating under adjusted date, while West get's date of hire? Any Union guys care to weigh in on this? Somebody, Joe Dirt I think, said this was done by 3 West agents and 3 East agents who had their own interests at heart, instead of doing what was fair for the entire membership.

Sorry my friend. I can't take credit for saying that. I do remember someone saying that but the committee's hands were tied. They were not responsible for who got what dates.

On another note I love the name. May the "Speedbird" always fly.