Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

If you ever worked for an airline and worked the ramp you would know you are trying to compare apples to oranges.
 
And DL your pay isnt 3% or 4% because of your job performance, it depends on when you were hired.
 
Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[737823]

Maybe at some point merit/performance based evaluation will come, part of the auto industry has it under Gettlefinger at UAW (he was a big company boy) so anything could happen.

Josh

 

[700UW]

 

[Kev3188]

How so? To an observant person it's a big deal and limits their ability to participate in the democratic process. Elections aren't held on Saturdays. Colleges don't hold final exams on Saturdays. Government agencies don't require people to vote or transact on Saturday...
Josh

 

Airlines require people to be available to work on Saturdays...

If that's the argument you want to make, then you you should also be pushing for aviation to shut down on Saturdays as well...





 

All DL employees get the same benefits package. I don't know what tiered rx plan that was referenced to .

  

That's not true.

Pilots have a different package, and of course some of our coworkers don't have benefits at all.

And at most all other companies outside the union/collective bargaining mindset people even in the same role and position receive different wages commensurate to their performance, merit and contributions.  What a concept.
 
Josh

Let us know when DL moves off of a scale system.

 

[737823]

 

Airlines require people to be available to work on Saturdays...

If that's the argument you want to make, then you you should also be pushing for aviation to shut down on Saturdays as well...

 
 
Fine by me.  LY shuts down and always has.
 
Point is the IAM is making the democratic process inaccessible to some subset of their membership.  But hey the DOL found in 2013 that the Grand Lodge failed to even hold the nomination process and provide adequate notice to the Local Lodges so at least they are consistent.  
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

 
 
Fine by me.  LY shuts down and always has.
 
Point is the IAM is making the democratic process inaccessible to some subset of their membership.  But hey the DOL found in 2013 that the Grand Lodge failed to even hold the nomination process and provide adequate notice to the Local Lodges so at least they are consistent.  
 
Josh

 
 
And then they held the nomination and election on a Saturday.
 
The IAM made a voluntary agreement to rerun that process.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.
 
And it was the locals that made the error, not the International.
 

On August 15, 2013, the Department entered into a voluntary compliance agreement with the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM), located in Upper Marlboro, Md., concerning the 2013 election of international officers.  The IAM agreed to conduct new nominations and a new election, if necessary, for the offices of international president, general secretary-treasurer and eight general vice presidents under OLMS supervision prior to June 2014.  The investigation disclosed that the union failed to provide notice of nomination to the membership regarding the nomination of international officers, local lodges did not provide notice of their nomination meetings to all members, and members were denied a reasonable opportunity to nominate candidates when some members were working at the time of the nomination meeting and/or endorsement vote and no alternative method of nomination was provided.  The agreement follows an investigation by the OLMS Washington District Office.

And you are posting lies and misinformation once again joshie.
 
And this isnt LY and I have relatives that work for them, they are not doing well financially and a small sector of the population causes them not to fly on the sabbath, not good business practice.

 

[eolesen]

Btw aren't IAM nominations coming up in a few weeks on Saturday 1/25/15?  Why does the IAM hold these on Shabbos?  Do they make appropriate accommodations for people unwilling or unable to place nominations on that day?  Rather insensitive on the part of the union.

Seems to me that if the rank and file had a problem with it, they would have changed it.
 

How so? To an observant person it's a big deal and limits their ability to participate in the democratic process. Elections aren't held on Saturdays. Colleges don't hold final exams on Saturdays. Government agencies don't require people to vote or transact on Saturday why should the IAM particularly if joining the union under the RLA is compulsory (or becoming a dues objector and paying an agency fee germane the CBA)

It actually increases participation. Back shops and manufacturing plants don't typically operate at full capacity on weekends, and as a result there are more people available to participate without work conflicts.

Since the union is secular, can you explain why they should have put the needs of 2.2% of the general population ahead of the % of employees who don't work Saturdays thus can participate?

Seriously, Josh, you make a fool out of yourself with your witch hunt on the IAM, and it really detracts from the overall topic.

If you and 700 want to bicker back and forth about the IAM, take it over to the cooler already.

Leave "grass roots" for the people who want to actually discuss how it relates to Delta.

 

[700UW]

I am not bickering, I am just trying to post the correct information, since he has an apparent serious issue with the IAM.
 
And we all know there is more to his story.

 

[eolesen]

Let it go. We know he has an axe to grind, and nobody takes his anti-IAM rants seriously.

 

[737823]

Does the IAM allow designees to cast nominations on someones behalf?  I only ask because this is the same union that doesn't allow absentee votes for contract ratification but made a special exception for DL 751 for the 77X vote last January.
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

 

Relax... Trip Trading, Flexibility Guaranteed With an IAM Contract

With a Voice we can guarantee our flexibility with a legally enforceable contract instead of leaving it to the whim of scheduling.

IAM-represented Flight Attendants negotiated the following:

Ability to drop all flying
Pick up flying without limitation
Unlimited trading with open time
Instant processing of trip trades
Trading down (i.e., turn a four day trip into a two day trip)

Bad day/worse day trades, maintain flexibility when coverage is poor
Drop or trade portions of a trip
Jetway trades for commuters
Delta Flight Attendants whom you elect to work with scheduling to justify staffing levels so Delta Flight Attendants' ability to trip trade wouldn't be limited.

As IAM Delta Flight Attendants, we guarantee what we have and make it better
 

 

[737823]

Looks like the IAM used an image of DL with the DL seating trim and Panasonic eFx IFE system found on the 73G/73H/75X and domestic 763s.  Why didn't they create their own image?  
 
Flyer is misleading.  Just because the IAM bargained this at another carrier doesn't mean DL will agree to it.  Again the IAM is making promises/representations of things they may not be able to deliver. 
 
Josh

 

[topDawg]

All DL employees get the same benefits package. I don't know what tiered rx plan that was referenced to .

profit sharing I believe yes(okay, only talking about full time mainline here. Can't answer on PTs and RRs) 
 
but that's about the end of it. IIRC you guys get the same healthcare offerings along with other choices that might be better. Also pretty sure your 401K match is higher (like double) and till this year you had more vacation too. 
 
stupid unions and all..... 

 

[Kev3188]

Significantly more sick time as well...

 

[topDawg]

Significantly more sick time as well...

how much of a difference?