IAM Fleet Service thread 7/13-7/20

[GoldenRam94]

Dig Deep Boys!

 

[P. REZ]

Tim Nelson,


Can you imagine an organizer telling a non-union group that they should sign this card to pay $1,000 a year????


Great point. My thoughts on whether or not to raise dues comes down to a problem I had when I took office from the former leaders of TWU 580. They had not made it much of a priority to collect dues from every member. We turned that into 98% to 99% compliance with a lot of effort. By talking to a couple of IAM International leaders I have found out that there is a problem collecting dues from the current members. Before raising anyone's dues they should get 100% compliance from current members and then decide if it was necessary to raise everyone's dues. Raising dues is the easy and lazy way out and will ultimately be the demise of the IAM. It would almost be impossible to get anyone to sign an interest card with this proposed dues structure.




P. Rez

 

[perserverance]

If this dues increase happens it will be easy to get people
to sign a ''dues objector'' card and save themselves alittle
each month. (roughly $15-$20 if it goes up)

By signing this card you forgo the right to vote on your
represnitives and on any agreements but remain an IAM
member in good standing. You would pay less monthly
than the other members monthly.

So with that said...go ahead and test the waters Roach and
Randy.We already have our people in place and we'll see.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim Nelson,


Can you imagine an organizer telling a non-union group that they should sign this card to pay $1,000 a year????


Great point. My thoughts on whether or not to raise dues comes down to a problem I had when I took office from the former leaders of TWU 580. They had not made it much of a priority to collect dues from every member. We turned that into 98% to 99% compliance with a lot of effort. By talking to a couple of IAM International leaders I have found out that there is a problem collecting dues from the current members. Before raising anyone's dues they should get 100% compliance from current members and then decide if it was necessary to raise everyone's dues. Raising dues is the easy and lazy way out and will ultimately be the demise of the IAM. It would almost be impossible to get anyone to sign an interest card with this proposed dues structure.




P. Rez

Comliance is very low, somewhere around 80% on US AIRWAYS property. Maybe less than that.
Dues check off is in the agreement and it's non-negotiable. If US AIRWAYS isn't following the agreement then it should be greived and arbitrated with full interest going to the IAM.

What's Ron R doing about it in PHX?

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,



Comliance is very low, somewhere around 80% on US AIRWAYS property. Maybe less than that.
Dues check off is in the agreement and it's non-negotiable. If US AIRWAYS isn't following the agreement then it should be greived and arbitrated with full interest going to the IAM.


What's Ron R doing about it in PHX?



For the TA vote RR claimed he had all but 50 or 60 employees signed up. So if true, 94% to 95% compliance which is better than the average but still lacking.


P. Rez

 

[orioleman]

This lay-off/OEI situation appears to be a major win-win for US and the IAM.

1) The IAM and the east will be able to dump many west agents.

2) US will save money by dumping senior west agents and keeping junior east agents.

Gotta admit that they are pretty darn smart. Evil, yet smart.

28l
the irony of all this is . THE EAST was the ones fighting AGAINST this B/S t/a . knowing full well that the

end result would be not in the west best interest. but many ran after the fools gold. and now the end result

will more than likely be lose of jobs west of the Mississippi. I hope next time around some will listen to those

that have been through this kinda of stuff many times . We on the east are not the self serving "its whats in

for me " that many on here proclaimed us to be. and If you guys get bumped east we welcome you with open

arms .

 

[P. REZ]

Dues non-compliance



Comliance is very low, somewhere around 80% on US AIRWAYS property. Maybe less than that. (quote Tim Nelson)

If we use some conservative numbers here of 20% and an average of $30 per month lost that would equal $554,400 per year in lost dues alone for just US Airways. Plus the initiation fee you are missing out on. Now, what about United, Northwest, Southwest just to name a few of the airlines represented by IAM. Now, what about the industries that don't have closed shops? If you couldn't sell these people that aren't members now, how in the heck would you sell them on joining now?


Districtforce, would you care to join in this thought, go after the non-dues payers first, then re-evaluate your position?


P. Rez

 

[roabilly]

The masses should not be asked to give more. Many other scenerios should be played out. For one, I don't see why the union needs all this real estate. Most union meetings at this point can be done over the kitchen table.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Precisely…

Instead ahh havin’ IAM conventions ‘n Hawaii, and other exotic locations in high dollar hotels ‘n convention centers on tha Membership’s dime, why not cut costs just like the corporations have done?

To keep dues reasonable…we could rent Club “V†fer ahh fraction of tha cost of some high falutin’… Paris Hilton digs. All tha negotiatin’…‘n plannin’ could take place in tha downstairs bar area.

Instead ahh limos.. we could buy Dirt ahh 1978 Trans-Am fer ahh couple ahh thousand, tahh shuttle us back ‘n forth frum tha airport… four at ahh time… @ 122 mph!

O-Man could serve drinks (Shots) fer ahh heck of ahh lot less than some pansy caterin’ service boy.

Nelson… could chair tha whole da** event, ‘n not charge us nuthin’ but free drinks!

Roadtrip… could act as ahh moderator… ‘n keep us all under control…’n out tha coop!

 

[freedom]

28l
the irony of all this is . THE EAST was the ones fighting AGAINST this B/S t/a . knowing full well that the

end result would be not in the west best interest. but many ran after the fools gold. and now the end result

will more than likely be lose of jobs west of the Mississippi. I hope next time around some will listen to those

that have been through this kinda of stuff many times . We on the east are not the self serving "its whats in

for me " that many on here proclaimed us to be. and If you guys get bumped east we welcome you with open

arms .

O-man , you were wrong about the contract , and you still are … as each day passes people like myself are proven increasingly correct …

You wanted to wait until the end of your old contract … I told you quite specifically that by that time the economy could be in a sever recession if not depression .. we are continuing down that path …. If we had allowed those of you with the wrong ideas to win , we would all have paid a high price ….



:down:

 

[roadtrip]

Precisely…

Instead ahh havin’ IAM conventions ‘n Hawaii, and other exotic locations in high dollar hotels ‘n convention centers on tha Membership’s dime, why not cut costs just like the corporations have done?

To keep dues reasonable…we could rent Club “V†fer ahh fraction of tha cost of some high falutin’… Paris Hilton digs. All tha negotiatin’…‘n plannin’ could take place in tha downstairs bar area.

Instead ahh limos.. we could buy Dirt ahh 1978 Trans-Am fer ahh couple ahh thousand, tahh shuttle us back ‘n forth frum tha airport… four at ahh time… @ 122 mph!

O-Man could serve drinks (Shots) fer ahh heck of ahh lot less than some pansy caterin’ service boy.

Nelson… could chair tha whole da** event, ‘n not charge us nuthin’ but free drinks!

Roadtrip… could act as ahh moderator… ‘n keep us all under control…’n out tha coop!

LOL Roa you got me belly laughing from this one!

 

[roabilly]

O-man , you were wrong about the contract , and you still are … as each day passes people like myself are proven increasingly correct …

You wanted to wait until the end of your old contract … I told you quite specifically that by that time the economy could be in a sever recession if not depression .. we are continuing down that path …. If we had allowed those of you with the wrong ideas to win , we would all have paid a high price ….
:down:

Go teach Economics 101 for a living… I’m sure the school system will hire you…
Or…better yet… ever thought about bein’ ahh sales representative for the Kraft Foods Company… makers of Kool-Aid?

My understanding is that they need reps to push their new flavor… “Desert Cactusâ€￾

 

[freedom]

Go teach Economics 101 for a living… I’m sure the school system will hire you…
Or…better yet… ever thought about bein’ ahh sales representative for the Kraft Foods Company… makers of Kool-Aid?

My understanding is that they need reps to push their new flavor… “Desert Cactusâ€

:mellow:

hmm remind me again roll , what was your postion at the time when we were debating the TA ? if i recall weren't you one of the ones saying we should wait until our current agreement expired ?

hmm when again did that old agreement expire ? remind me , i can't remember , oh hey by the way , how's that whole "us economy " thing doing ?

 

[28L_or_10R?]

28l
the irony of all this is . THE EAST was the ones fighting AGAINST this B/S t/a . knowing full well that the

end result would be not in the west best interest. but many ran after the fools gold. and now the end result

will more than likely be lose of jobs west of the Mississippi. I hope next time around some will listen to those

that have been through this kinda of stuff many times . We on the east are not the self serving "its whats in

for me " that many on here proclaimed us to be. and If you guys get bumped east we welcome you with open

arms .

I was against this TA and most of the west was leery at our station. The EAST guys were the ones beating everyone with sticks to vote yes. If anything ft is open at BOS or DCA, I may go there. Not west... I get a sunburn standing under fluorescent lights. I am a cold-weather animal.

 

[roabilly]

:mellow:

hmm remind me again roll , what was your postion at the time when we were debating the TA ? if i recall weren't you one of the ones saying we should wait until our current agreement expired ?

hmm when again did that old agreement expire ? remind me , i can't remember , oh hey by the way , how's that whole "us economy " thing doing ?

Ohhh...

I can't rember... Here's my response...

 

[Jester]

28l
the irony of all this is . THE EAST was the ones fighting AGAINST this B/S t/a . knowing full well that the end result would be not in the west best interest. but many ran after the fools gold. and now the end result will more than likely be lose of jobs west of the Mississippi. I hope next time around some will listen to those that have been through this kinda of stuff many times . We on the east are not the self serving "its whats in for me " that many on here proclaimed us to be. and If you guys get bumped east we welcome you with open arms .

The irony is that I am rather enjoying my 20% pay increase and look forward to another 20% increase in a few months contrary to the gloomy projections by some. Of course, I think US is in deep yogurt with the price of fuel, but if anything trying to get a better deal during these times would have left West with NOTHING but more Easties promises about a Great Pumpkin of better things many years ahead (assuming we are still in business and they aren't wrong again as they were with CIC). A 40% wage increase and more time on a contract and most of the West rampers are to be upset?

T/A approval or not the furloughs were coming to LAS and throughout the system. These cutbacks are due to primarily the price of fuel not to the price of labor. As for job protections under the old West contract, can you spell "CMH" or do I need to spot you the first two letters? It is the hubris of intellectual dishonesty that some on this board falsely suggest that the West contract had such great job security protection when relatively the recent history of a hub closing clearly demonstrated otherwise.

So Corrects Jester.