Edward
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Looks like old thread ran over. Time for new topic & do not make it personal. Thanks.
IAM Fleet Service topic 11/19-
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Freedom your dread locks are pulled way to tight you need to loosen them up a little .. MY UNION is NOT PART OF THIS COMPANY. I know you subscribe to
the DP management union but the International of Association of Machinist and Aerospace Workers DO NOT and I REPEAT DO NOT belong to no part this
dysfunctional corporation called USAIRWAYS.
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To add, Freedom explicitly stated that the company pays his bills and puts the food on his table. That's an error in thinking. Your company wants to take food off of Freedm's table. Freedom should give himself more credit because it is Freedom that puts food on his table by busting his rump and providing his services to a company that really doesn't even care who Freedom is.
It is the reverse of what Freedom thinks, the company is trying to steal food off of his table, take his medical benefits away, contract him out, but with a union contract the company can't do that so they resort to 'changing their policies', without union agreement, on negotiated items. Not surprisingly, Canale's Klan didn't even complain about the new sick leave policy before they were booted out. Not that we should be surprised.
Moving forward, it will not be good enough to just put in a grievance and then wait a couple years to arbitrate the sick policy. Many members are going to start sinking with the new policy and the union must do what it can do to educate and protect members from these profanities. One shield of protection is to make sure all the members are educated on FMLA and that those who qualify exercise these rights to protect themselves.
I for one am ignorant on the full scope of FMLA and most members are. Now I know your company won't be a 'happy camper' if the union focuses in on FMLA, educates its members, provides resources, and perhaps does workshops on FMLA, but I think the union has no option but to do this since it is dutybound to protect its members. I personally would like to see this done systemwide so that the members have a legal shield that protects their rights from brutal, crude, and 'boarding school' sick leave policies.
Any union can file a grievance, I mean, big deal, a grievance is getting filed! This company is taking you guys on. Bottom line. What's the game plan? File a grievance??? Gotta be more than that to rightfully protect members.
Your company's character, demands a union to be proactive, innovative, and anticipatory in nature to protect its members.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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1st of all i don't have dreadlocks :blink i think you think i'm some other worker ...
2ndly , yes i know this company would cut our wages given the chance , BUT ... it's not the union that hired me , it's the company ... althou it is the union that keeps me form being fired ..
Our union protects us from job discrimination and abuse , i consider substandard pay to be part of abuse ... but it is our company that employs us ...
I only urge more open thinking between what it means to be a part of something , we are part of a union , which is part of this company ... our union wouldn't have nearly as much meaning if we were not us airways related ..
we must be sure to take care of our company whenever we can ...because like an orchard , it feeds us , we must tend to it carefully , and from time to time rid it of weeds . (the weeds being discrimination and abuse )
EDIT: speaking of waiting a few years tim , can't we just sue us airways for blatantly violating our contract ? why isn't there some sort of expited processes ? you'd think with the new policy going into effect soon that we would need to fight this as quickly as possible to prevent job losses ... isn't there some court that would understand that this is an issue that must be addressed immediately to prevent job losses rather than further down the line ?
2ndly , yes i know this company would cut our wages given the chance , BUT ... it's not the union that hired me , it's the company ... althou it is the union that keeps me form being fired ..
Our union protects us from job discrimination and abuse , i consider substandard pay to be part of abuse ... but it is our company that employs us ...
I only urge more open thinking between what it means to be a part of something , we are part of a union , which is part of this company ... our union wouldn't have nearly as much meaning if we were not us airways related ..
we must be sure to take care of our company whenever we can ...because like an orchard , it feeds us , we must tend to it carefully , and from time to time rid it of weeds . (the weeds being discrimination and abuse )
EDIT: speaking of waiting a few years tim , can't we just sue us airways for blatantly violating our contract ? why isn't there some sort of expited processes ? you'd think with the new policy going into effect soon that we would need to fight this as quickly as possible to prevent job losses ... isn't there some court that would understand that this is an issue that must be addressed immediately to prevent job losses rather than further down the line ?
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Who knows if it will take 2 years, most do but I don't think this one necessarily will. IMO, the union will make sure this grievance and the Nielsen firing will be brought to the forefront. Likewise, I presume the company will want to assign arbitrators and expedite the medical coverage grievance. With Canale, I could promise you that this grievance would be shelved for 2 years. I know I said 'two years' but it was more of a figure of speech, let's hope it is resolved through respect but if not then brought to the front ahead of the company's dispute with the medical coverage.
Regarding the company wanting to clarify the medical coverage, I'm not sure how a company actually files a grievance but it would be pretty cool to 'deny' it and use the rubber stamp and say sorry, grievance denied. Somehow I don't think that's how it goes. I personally think your company should 'out of its sweet and kind heart' just reduce medical premiums and wait on the IAM to file a grievance in about a year if the IAM feels a violation occured. The interesting thing is that your company is basically saying it is a violation of your agreement if it doesn't reduce your medical contributions for next year. Great! Let's make it clear to the company and tell them that as far as we know, no AGC is planning on filling out a grievance for the company's violation of reducing medical contributions! Somehow, I don't believe the company's 'spirit's are so loving.
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Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
Tim,
When the company outsourced the Airbus Overhaul in 2003, they filed a grievance against the IAM and the Article in the CBA that covered A/C overhaul.
They file it the same way as the union would file it and it was handed over from Labor Relations to the GCs at a meeting in CCY.
When the company outsourced the Airbus Overhaul in 2003, they filed a grievance against the IAM and the Article in the CBA that covered A/C overhaul.
They file it the same way as the union would file it and it was handed over from Labor Relations to the GCs at a meeting in CCY.
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Nelson, are you telling me Nielsen isnt getting any info? You gotta be kiding me, He is a board member, you think Delaney would help him out. This attendance policy is nuts!! In LAS the managers tell us one thing then the HR manager the next day says no your telling them wrong its this way. The comapny doesnt even know how this policy is managed. Your absolutely right about our AGCs they all have like 9 to 15 stations while the UA guys have from what Ive been told 4 to 5. And they appoint another UA guy? This ratio is a little dispaportionate. Hey has anyone heard whats up with the west dues money, and how and when its going to be dished out, we finally have one contract!!!! The communication needs to pick up boys let get moving I know your swamped and barely have time to make calls and return them, lets do something about it. When are they suppose to meet with the company again on the attendance I was told this week and now next. Boys its thanksgiving next week, are you gonna break bread with them too or what? I bet they blow you off next week too. The bookies in vegas just may come and put a line out here on it. Nielsen is passing this info up and I hope the new team is ready to act. And this needs to go the the NMB now......After Dec. 1st ....game over the company won again...Prove me wrong and file now like today.
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And by the way.......Distract Distract Distract........You feel an opportunity and I understand that, but you should have used that
opportunity over the years to do the right thing. Now information is within everyones reach and you still try to Distract. This
union will change and the membership with it. All the postings in the world aren't going to change that.
It's now a Bloodline not a Lifeline.............
opportunity over the years to do the right thing. Now information is within everyones reach and you still try to Distract. This
union will change and the membership with it. All the postings in the world aren't going to change that.
It's now a Bloodline not a Lifeline.............
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It looks to me like you are daring the moderators to kick you out once again.
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Shocker you and Freedom should get together and talk about how great you both are in your own minds. Those with false delusions of self worth make for interesting reading.
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"1st of all i don't have dreadlocks :blink i think you think i'm some other worker ..."
really you must have cut them off since my last visit.
please quit insulting the union members on this board by referring my union to "our" . believe it or not I think DP is more union
then you are. finish your education and move on with life . YOU have no future in the volatile airline industry
really you must have cut them off since my last visit.
please quit insulting the union members on this board by referring my union to "our" . believe it or not I think DP is more union
then you are. finish your education and move on with life . YOU have no future in the volatile airline industry
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