IAM Fleet Service topic

[roabilly]

Has the New Direction 08 team come up with a plan of action?

They will have no choice but to have a plan of action, when my grievance works its way through tha system!

I’ll assure yahh...Tha ND08 boys will push this to arbitration... no "give up" or "lap dog" settlements like tha Canale regime! Justice is on tha way!

 

[john john]

The seniority system is contained in an article in the transition agreement that fleet service agreed to that recognized past seniority practices.

How long has the seniority language in the contract been around?
And why file a grievance now what is differences between this TA and the other 3 TA regarding seniority language isn’t the seniority language in the contact the
same since day one. I am just saying maintenance of standards or past practice

 

[Speedbird1]

How long has the seniority language in the contract been around?
And why file a grievance now what is differences between this TA and the other 3 TA regarding seniority language isn’t the seniority language in the contact the
same since day one. I am just saying maintenance of standards or past practice

That's exactly the point. "Past practice" without regard to fairness isn't how we will be operating in the future under the New Direction. "Past practice" is gone along with Canale.

 

[roabilly]

That's exactly the point. "Past practice" without regard to fairness isn't how we will be operating in the future under the New Direction. "Past practice" is gone along with Canale.

Well said "Bird"...

Eventually... they will understand what the "new"... in new direction stands for!

Gitcha sum!

 

[roabilly]

How long has the seniority language in the contract been around?
And why file a grievance now what is differences between this TA and the other 3 TA regarding seniority language isn’t the seniority language in the contact the
same since day one. I am just saying maintenance of standards or past practice

Wake up dude!

There has been ahh merger! Your seniority just got unfairly integrated! The past agreements mean absolutely nothing in relation to this current travesty!

 

[rat tales]

The difficulty in the "fairness" argument at this time is that the Transition Agreement has been voted on by the membership and accepted. This argument was presented on this forum by Joe Dirt and others while the negotiation process was still active between the company and the Union. If you check the thread history you can see that not many cared. The seniority threads died as quick as they could be posted.

MF presented the opinions you now are expressing to Canale during Transition Agreement negotiations. Canale laughed at him and no one else in the room from any other stations would support MF.

The Transition period of our groups was the best shot we had to be able to define what we felt to be fair and equitable. More cared about the money and the T/A passed.

Our delima now is what can we protest?

Go to the last page of the Transition Agreement. This would be Attachment C.
Read paragraph 3.:

3. The Company and the Union agree that integration of seniority lists will be based on an
employee’s date of entry into his/her classification as defined in the collective bargaining
agreement covering each respective classification on the merged US Airways. The Company
and the Union agree that this methodology complies with the requirements of paragraphs 1 and
2 above.

This section says two things. First that "The Company" and "The Union" agree our "Classification" will be defined by our EAST and WEST Contracts upon the integration of the groups.
Second, "The Company" and "The Union agree that this way of integrating the two groups complies with paragraphs 1&2 of Attachment C.

So basically we got what we brought. So, is this fair? You are all saying "NO" in this forum. But what does paragraph 1 say in Attachment C?

1. The seniority lists of America West Fleet Service Employees and US Airways Fleet Service Employees will be integrated in a fair and equitable manner in accordance with Section 3 of the
Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions.

Remember the second part of paragraph 3: The Company and the Union agree that this methodology complies with the requirements of paragraphs 1 and 2 above.

By the memberships own admission we agreed with the Company, by ratifying the Agreement, that this was a "fair and equitable" manner.

So, what do we protest? The seniority list was compiled with the criteria we signed off on. If a Grievance is taken to an arbitrator what will our argument be? Unless someone sees something different, we seem to be SOL until the contract is reopened or we merge with another airline.

Any one else have an angle?

 

[roabilly]

Tales…

Tha question is not what we accepted… but what we were awarded in terms of a fair and equitable transition date. I myself… was never made aware of any definitive methodology concerning the Fleet Service Transition Integration List. We were told... that a Seniority Integration Team (Talk to our boy Perez!) was in the process of determining a fair and equitable means to combine the lists for both east and west.

At no point… was adjusted dates mentioned in these communications to my knowledge. You may have archived correspondence to dispute this observation. However … I... was never made aware of anything regarding this combined list with adjustments until... AFTER the ratification of the Transition Agreement.

 

[rat tales]

Tales…

Tha question is not what we accepted… but what we were awarded in terms of a fair and equitable transition date. I myself… was never made aware of any definitive methodology concerning the Fleet Service Transition Integration List. We were told... that a Seniority Integration Team (Talk to our boy Perez!) was in the process of determining a fair and equitable means to combine the lists for both east and west.

At no point… was adjusted dates mentioned in these communications to my knowledge. You may have archived correspondence to dispute this observation. However … I... was never made aware of anything regarding this combined list with adjustments until... AFTER the ratification of the Transition Agreement.

Every time Canale, Regan, or Flynn(when he was our AGC in CLT) were pinned down about seniority integration, they were purposfully evasive.

When the TWU was still in play, the IAM put out a flyer that contradicted what Canale agreed to with the company in the T/A.
View attachment 8011

Still, I think you would fare better in court filing a DFR against Canale than a grievance against language in an Agreement we ratified.

I know what you are saying in that "we" in CLT and PHL overwhelmingly voted the T/A down because of the bad language, reguardless, Canale was able to manipulate enough votes to be able to pass the T/A.

Thats what we are stuck with!

 

[roabilly]

Tales…

I'll look at introducing that document at some point!

Better yet… can you produce for us… all official communications from the IAM, prior to the ratification of the Transition Agreement… regarding the Seniority Integration Team… and the process by which merged seniority will be determined?

If any written overtures were present in the official IAM communications regarding ADJUSTED… and not CLASSIFICATION seniority dates, I will completely abandon this argument!

P.S. Let's file a grievance, a protest, and a lawsuit!

 

[rat tales]

Tales…

I'll look at introducing that document at some point!

Better yet… can you produce for us… all official communications from the IAM, prior to the ratification of the Transition Agreement… regarding the Seniority Integration Team… and the process by which merged seniority will be determined?

If any written overtures were present in the official IAM communications regarding ADJUSTED… and not CLASSIFICATION seniority dates, I will completely abandon this argument!

P.S. Let's file a grievance, a protest, and a lawsuit!

September 27, 2005

View attachment 8012

Paragraph 3

 

[goodfellow]

😛h34r: Sounds like we need to finish what we started, to benefit the membership!!!!!

 

[mike33]

6 more days...................I think I'm getting excited!............ I think we'll have to check our " Mike33-Bagfather-I'myourhuckelberry" t-shirts at the door and come undercover.

WHATCH YAH SAY REDEYE! YOU ABLE TO HELP US OUT! " O-MAN". US BURNED-OUT SURFERS ARE GOIN TO COLLECT ON THAT BEER

 

[roabilly]

Y'all ain't gonna Throw Down are yah?

Tales ...I'll git with yahh 'bout tha seniority issue... but only after Canale’s DFR violatin' a** is officially gone!

 

[mike33]

Y'all ain't gonna Throw Down are yah?

Uhhhhhhhhhh.........Hmmmmmmmm..........probably not........You boys are in a league of ur own when it comes to that.

Lotsa respect there!

 

[redeye]

6 more days...................I think I'm getting excited!............ I think we'll have to check our " Mike33-Bagfather-I'myourhuckelberry" t-shirts at the door and come undercover.

WHATCH YAH SAY REDEYE! YOU ABLE TO HELP US OUT! " O-MAN". US BURNED-OUT SURFERS ARE GOIN TO COLLECT ON THAT BEER

Is Paul going to make it?
What is your favorite brew? We can have it on ice!
I want one of those T-shirts.