IAM FLEET SERVICE

[Tim Nelson]

Ask ALPA, he is directly involved in their negotiations and the AFA.

I have contacted Ford and Harrison for confirmation.

700 you are correct in saying he's still a consultant, although I gotta give Hemminghaw points for Bit** slapping Canale every chance he gets. He plays him like a freakn clay pigeon.

As far as a new TA, regardless of wage, it must have COC merger language that is not found at the bottom of cracker jacks boxes. The negotiations team should mirror Parker's new COC language as opposed to the meaningless COC language the IAM got from the cracker jacks box and didn't even discuss with the company.

It won't matter if fleet got the best contract in the industry if the COC language sux during a merger. Investors will want workers to pay for the merger over time. If Parker's COC language is good enough for him then it should be good enough for fleet service. If us airways sez it can't give such COC language then you know fleet is fixing to get screwed in any merger, possibly a complete decert which would be even worse. AA's merger language is a pretty decent start.

regards,

 

[GoldenRam94]

Why are you constantly putting down the very people who are the back bone of the ramp?

Spineless maybe!

Tenured folks whined and complained their way to a lot of the problems. PHL has been a mess since the 80's and much of it was thanks to the deals being swung by the Full Time Lifers who thought the good times would never end under guys likes Weitz, Renville, Moore, and others. When the good times went away thanks to their own stupidity their continued to whine. Today they sit playing hearts complaining about the new guys, meanwhile they are 'rolling' someone so they can get home early!

The problems we are facing today are largely thanks to this 'roll' mentality that so many rampers have allowed to go on for so long.

 

[orioleman]

MR AGC,
"And the tenured folks have shown such a willingness to step up and do a better job?"

that's because We tenured folks DON'T have any LEADERSHIP stepping up for US .

If we had some AGC'S with some backbone and some B*lls then we would have to would we.

keep drinking the koolaid party boy . Your days are numbered

 

[orioleman]

Bagfather,
"But I'm willing to make sacrifices that a lot are not willing
to make"

Your not alone. alot of people are willing to make the sacrifice as well. H*ll we been sacrificing under Canoli for 13 yrs , whats a couple
more

 

[orioleman]

Spineless maybe!

Tenured folks whined and complained their way to a lot of the problems. PHL has been a mess since the 80's and much of it was thanks to the deals being swung by the Full Time Lifers who thought the good times would never end under guys likes Weitz, Renville, Moore, and others. When the good times went away thanks to their own stupidity their continued to whine. Today they sit playing hearts complaining about the new guys, meanwhile they are 'rolling' someone so they can get home early!

The problems we are facing today are largely thanks to this 'roll' mentality that so many rampers have allowed to go on for so long.

Isn't it kinda weird that you talk about yourself in the third person. I guess the koolaid has clouded your memory but YOU were

one of those so called lifers you referred to in your post and played the PHL game pretty well from what I remember.

 

[orioleman]

Tim,
"although I gotta give Hemminghaw points for Bit** slapping Canale every chance he gets. He plays him like a freakn clay pigeon."

gotta remember Uncle AL passed the HOW to B*tch Slap Canale book down to Hemingway before he jumped out with his golden

parachute and landed in LAS.

 

[freedom]

1. Stop sniping at each other , it does absolutely nothing to further our cause .

2. Stop slamming our union , I know that MANY of you have problems with it , fine , we will address those problems when it comes time for new elections ,and by this time I’m sure that our elected officials know that many of you are displeased with their performance .If you want to threaten someone , threaten the company with missed bags and late flights . All I’m asking is that if you have a problem with our union and it’s leadership that you STFU until after the TA meeting .

I’m sick and tired of reading post after post where you whine and cry about how horrible the union is , and how much you hate the union president and the AGC’s etc … If we don’t get a new TA it’s not going to be the UNION’s fault but the companies fault . Who is It who cut your wages ? Was it the union ? I think not , who was it who outsourced the field stations , the union ? I think not . Who was it who took you to court and soundly thrashed you ? No it wasn’t our union , it was the company .

We will not be fighting a two front war today … sorry doug .

 

[Black Magic]

Looking back would anyone looked farther into voting the TWU in back when we first merged? Not trying to start a war, just curious.

 

[GoldenRam94]

Looking back would anyone looked farther into voting the TWU in back when we first merged? Not trying to start a war, just curious.

It would not have made much of a difference. The same people would have been put in charge! Go back and look at the leadership at the 4 union cities under the IBT, and compare that list with today!

Like I have said many times, we screwed the pooch years ago when we allowed some of this to take place.

 

[lithuanian]

Feeling like giving a "Two Cent" opinion. So far haven't had the best of luck with John Edwards against Clinton and Obama. Here' my twist on saving the airline. We are waiting for someone to pick us up on a merger. No group involved with US AIR has anywhere to go. Spin the wheels! We will wait for someone with the Kahunas! to pick up the spoils that the Idiots thought they control. Maybe it'll be an international. But, pray, someone has the money to save us. Enjoy the Day!

 

[UPNAWAY]

Thanks for the thoughtful and surprisingly no name calling responses to my question about at what price dignity and respect. For myself I would think if I made $10, $20 or $50 an hour makes no difference in the company’s opinion of me (I don't think they care that much no matter what I make, nore do I think they should). And I know for myself that my own "give a ####' meter doesn't care! How long I stay at the job or how much my spouse bugs me to quit might be another matter but I come to work and give my best no matter what! I do some seasonal part time work in a completely unionized environment (except for me) and I have made $10 and hour in that job for 11 years, it is what it is and I know that going in but it is amazing how much happier I am there working hard and make the $10 hr vs. the regs who are professional slackers and make 2 or 3 time as much, just my observation.

 

[JoeDirt]

I was going to get defensive about some of these statements. Instead I decided to make a statement of my own.

To whom it may concern:

In my experence (23 years) I have seen many people come and go. The majority of those that remain have chosen to make a career out of
this job. We are here not because we have to be here, we are here because we want to be here. Working for an airline gets into your blood
and is like no other job in the world. There are times we work under appalling conditions. What those conditions are depends on what station
you are in and what job you do there. We all have our daily tasks. Yet we still do it day after day. We might moan and groan and sometimes
we even go straight to bitching. We have earned the right to do so. It has been bought and paid for with x# of years of sweat and blood,
bruises, sore muscles, and many other injuries. The ramp by its very nature is a very dangerous place. It been paid for with many late
nights waiting for that last flight. Its been paid for by numerous holidays away from family and friends. Its been paid for with the headaches and
sacrifices of everyone who chose this as a career. We gladly welcome new people into our ranks. The only thing we ask is that they prove
themself first. The majority of fleet service are good hard working people who only want a decent life for themself and their families. As for
myself personally I will let my work ethic speak for itself. I have earned the respect of my co-workers and even the respect of some in local
management. I do a hard job but I do it well. Respect is earned and should not be given freely.

WE HAVE EARNED THAT RESPECT AND WILL ACCEPT NOTHING LESS.

 

[orioleman]

Joe,
Very well said.. 😀 😀 😀 😀

 

[b737200]

Spineless maybe!

Tenured folks whined and complained their way to a lot of the problems. PHL has been a mess since the 80's and much of it was thanks to the deals being swung by the Full Time Lifers who thought the good times would never end under guys likes Weitz, Renville, Moore, and others. When the good times went away thanks to their own stupidity their continued to whine. Today they sit playing hearts complaining about the new guys, meanwhile they are 'rolling' someone so they can get home early!

The problems we are facing today are largely thanks to this 'roll' mentality that so many rampers have allowed to go on for so long.

The roll mentality must have festered over into the district level. You guys want all the perks
and bennies without giving representation. Calling for the ouster of 1. Randy " cheap suites " Canale,
2. PHL AGC Flynn for failure to represent the fleet service in a fashion that some what resembles
unionism.

 

[rat tales]

Golden Goose?