IAM FLEET SERVICE

[Planemx]

Joe,
Very well said.. 😀 😀 😀 😀

I agree...nicely said.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Indeed... How astute...

 

[pjirish317]

JOE FOR PREZ OF DISTRICT 141

I guess we will see just how much our leadership thinks of us around the 28th or so. But you do realize that it probably will not be more than $19.00 an hour. Just because our union NC said that $19.00 was the "BEST THAT THEY COULD DO". So anythig more will make the NC look incompetent. Well they are incompetent anyway so what else is new. LOL Just MHO.

 

[Tim Nelson]

JOE FOR PREZ OF DISTRICT 141

I guess we will see just how much our leadership thinks of us around the 28th or so. But you do realize that it probably will not be more than $19.00 an hour. Just because our union NC said that $19.00 was the "BEST THAT THEY COULD DO". So anythig more will make the NC look incompetent. Well they are incompetent anyway so what else is new. LOL Just MHO.

LMAO,
here's a tidbit for you folks to show how Canale and Management are tighter than two coats of paint.
Local 1487, the biggest Local in DL141, with 6,000+ members, recognizes me as its Local Chairman. Boss Canale doesnt like that.
So as of today, I intercepted a copy of a letter from Boss Canale mailed to His buddy saying something like "me being local chairman in chicago violates the labor agreement, and Parker's boy tells His buddy, the local rep is really some guy who hasn't ever been to a Local union meeting, EVER as far as I know. In 8 years of IAM representation, the guy Canale told management is his man in ORD is a guy who has never held any office or position at the local, ever.

Parker's boy has now went 'bonkers' and is flippn out over the 'pain' he will face with nominations to boot him out of his $100,000+ club this February. Anyways, no biggie but I did get a chuckle. I guess Boss Canale thinks I'm running against his slate. He'll find out his answer next week.

OTOH, some management pawns on the DL141 eboard won't be up for election this time since they have 2 years still remaining. However, MW, is starting to annoy me because he has shown disrespect to the wrong person, therefore, once things get cleaned up I will advocate MW being sent to manilla for phillipine negotiations. I won't have the juice to make that final call but it would be fun to see him packing for the Pacific instead of doing a whole lota nothing here.

At any rate, the local confirmed for me that I am its recognized Local Chairman and wondered why Canale went crying to management. Geez.

In conclusion, The District officer slate to overthrow Canale and kick him back up to management where he belongs has been confirmed and the ticket is full. One thing I found out is that Aloha, United, and US AIRWAYS EAST and WEST members all are thinking alike and will boot Canale and his team out........'soon enough'.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman 1487 [sorry Parker boy]

 

[Henderfuzz]

Im going to add in MHO of what would be a good pay rate.
Based on what Tims numbers of other carriers pay is that the last T/A was really not far off.
If you realize we are the number 7 largest airline than we fall right in at about 19.60 to 20.00 per hour.
Yes our balance sheet is good but again being that our ablity to create more revenue becasue of our size makes it difficult to go much higher. Thats why you need to understand that we are not the big 3 were not even the big 5. We are number 7 so keep that in mind when and if we see a new T/A to vote on. To ask for eveything we once had is just not realistic. Ive seen some here even say that the price of oil is not our problem. Well I guess not unless you want to see a whole lot of airplanes parked which means we have none to work, and you know what that means.
So guys use your head and stop being so greedy we all want better wages and improved benefits.
However if we keep holding out for all of it we will just sit here and spin our wheels and we will all suffer for it.

 

[Black Magic]

I'll add that we are not the only ones looking for more $$$. The pilots and mechanics both have expensive contracts that are being battled out. The whole industry really is weak right now and there is only a certain amount of money to go around. Everyone is after the loot! lol

 

[pjirish317]

Henderfuzz,
You sound like you drank too much kool-aid. To say that we need to take what we can now. What about 5 years from now? If we accept a T/A that is extended untill 2012. We start negotiations then so add 2 ar 3 years to that for anything substantial to happen with negs. Like the last T/A we would have been stuck at I think $20.57 until 2015 or so. I am not willing to accept that. We should be at $23 or $24 by 2012. Plus I am not willing to sell out 19 more stations for $19.00 an hour. Maybee you are but I am not. You will probably say "look at the BIG Picture", I have, and I do not like the way the company/I'll Ask Management have sold us out. So keep drinking your kool-aid and selling yourself short. I will vote NO to anything that resembles the last T/A. That is a fact!

 

[Black Magic]

Im just curious to maybe wait and see if we merge with another carrier. If we vote some bum contract in now, we could be stuck with it for a long time and then when the airline industry regains control and makes big $$$ we won't have a piece.

I do agree with airline consolidation, it will make fares higher for consumers but soo what. The "free flight" "cheap ticket" prices need to come to an end.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Im just curious to maybe wait and see if we merge with another carrier. If we vote some bum contract in now, we could be stuck with it for a long time and then when the airline industry regains control and makes big $$$ we won't have a piece.

I do agree with airline consolidation, it will make fares higher for consumers but soo what. The "free flight" "cheap ticket" prices need to come to an end.

I agree we should pay close attention to the merger. The environment has changed and mergers are king. Therefore, instead of Boss Canale getting COC language from the bottom of cracker jacks boxes. Parker's new COC language should be incorporated in similar fashion in fleet services' contract. Otherwise expect any merger to be a screwing; lost jobs, closed stations, regardless of wages.

If there is one thing the COC taught us is that Canale's language sux and isn't worth the paper it's written on. The newbies on the negotiations team will clean this up or not sign.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman 1487 ORD

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Tim, if you run I'll fly out of PHX and vote for you haha!

TIM FOR CEO

 

[The Bagfather]

Henderfuzz: I'm sure there are a few who share your view. I can
see why you don't want to risk waiting 1-3 more years for more
money. All I can say is for me I am. It's very important to me
for the money but more for the principle. The LLC has pulled
a fast on FS. The IAM is willing to let them get away with it.
I'm not. Read pjirish's post again. IMO that is an accurate
view of our situation. The main point there is what are we
going to be making in 2015. With inflation it will be about $15/hr.
Even $24 will be about $20 or less. And the job protection
language needs to fit the current merger atmosphere.

As far as being in competition with the other labor groups.
of course we are. But why should'nt FS be in line for the
best contract of all the groups? This is not to say that we
should in any way make more than M&R but why not an
excellent contract? There is an unwritten law that we should
be at the bottom even in relative terms and I don't buy that.

As to the top out rate I want to reiterate to all that what ever
it comes out to only matters in relation to the rest of the
contract. Even the total dollar value [everything included...the whole pay scale
...sick pay, vacation pay et.al] needs to looked at carefully
in light of potential outsourcing..COC language..hidden
extentions. Please consider these factors. Thanks BF

 

[orioleman]

fuzz,
"So guys use your head and stop being so greedy we all want better wages and improved benefits."

gloom and doom is back,

fuzz if you live in a world where the glass is half empty thats fine. But don't try and bring your gloom and doom attitude to

everyone . We all know you don't think your worth a lot and getting your 2 hr raise before taxes and insurance would change your life

immensely but the majority of us feel we are worth more and are going to get as much as we can now period. In case you haven't figured

it out the new t/a will come with a contract ext. so you saying take what you can now and really neg in 2 years well that's not going to

happen . this t/a will be extended at least 2 yrs so your looking at 5 or 6 yrs down the road. NOW is the time to make a stand .

as far as being greedy . Not at all I and my fellow brothers/sister just want what WE are entiltled to. If you don't want to fight the fight

fine. Management in DFW must

have you guys so repressed that you think your worth nothing.

 

[JoeDirt]

First of all let me begin by saying there was absolutely nothing scientific about this "Survey".

I ask a number of people I encountered throughout the day the following question and kept track of the answers.

"What would be the minimum dollar amount acceptable to you on a new T/A?"

There were 45 fleet service agents ranging from 1 year to 33 years senority and included most of the work areas with the exception of catering. The low was $18 and the high was $24 with the overall average being $20.68. The overwhelming majority of the answers were between $20 and $21 an hour. Most of the time when I asked this question it was on a one to one basis so their answer would not be influenced by someone elses answer. Nor did I try to influence the answers myself. I would not share the information I had gotten already until after they gave me their answer. The largest group was 4 people and even their answers varied.

Needless to say it sure made for a very interesting day. While I was looking for an answer to a very direct question everyone was quick to inform me that there were a lot of other concerns.

*It seemed that the number one issue was the 2007 profit sharing. It is perceived to be money that has already been earned and in a lot of cases already spent. General concensus was hands off.

*No contract extention was voiced quite often. Give us a decent deal with yearly increases and we can come back to the table in 2 years.

*Full sick pay. Its pretty sad when you literally can't afford to be sick. There were also issues about vacation time, double time and additional holidays.

Take this for what its worth. If nothing else maybe I got a few people thinking and talking about any up coming vote. Know this also that the answers hinged on the fact that other things had to be addressed. The "acceptable amount" could be more or less depending on what else was "fixed". A good friend told me he would "accept $20 an hour only if we got everything else we gave up". Five people didn't even realize we were going into "talks".They had heard nothing about it.

I am not trying to make any kind of argument nor any statement of anyones worth. Just something I wanted to see for myself and decided to share the information that I gathered. Try it yourself and see what kind of response you get.

 

[b737200]

Congratulations Tim,
On your return as Loacal Chairman. If " cheap suites " is devoting so much time for your
demise, who's running the show?
It's time folks to get behind the new slate and support change. Now is the time for redemption.
Thirteen years of mafioso style leadership from " cheap suites " is coming to an end.
If you recall the casualty list of district 141; Greg Bonar- booted for not being one of the boyz,
Jerry from GSO demoted from AGC for not being one of the boyz, Big Arms from PHL moved to another district for not going along with the boyz and last but not least the latest casualty,
DL from PIT booted from the negotiating com. for not going along with the boyz.

If in fact MW is booted to Manilla for Phillipine negotiations, who's going to be the one to ship
his dip to southeast asia?

RC, don't fight it, Nixon was booted into shame by good demacrats too, the only difference is
you won't be waving goodbye from the steps of a helecopter.

 

[Henderfuzz]

Well I can see that I continue to stir a lot of anger with my opinions. Which is fine because as the old saying goes everybody has one. I will say this I dont want to see the last T/A either there are things I too would like to see as improvments in it as well, sick pay, and added vacation as well.
I will also remind you the last T/A was overseen by a nutral arbitrator much like would happen if we continue to reject what is offered us.
As for drinking the koolade well I will tell you I dont, the way our station is run is a joke. As I have stated before its now under one buget just as if we all work together. That means the mangment looks at us as one group as if we all work all flights. There are many a day where we can have 3 flights on the ground and there are 3 yes 3 east agents working the ramp. As I said its a joke.
Once again I understand you guys in the hubs dont really understand this which is fine. I do understand what my job is worth and what my 25 years is worth. If I were to really get what Im worth based on what was taken away from me I should ask for 25 dollars an hour but Ive come to understand that times have change forever. Maybe someday it will get better Im just no going to keep hopping it will all come back before I want to retire.
Also if you have been reading the papers latley USAiways right now is not even on anybodys radar as far as a merger partner is concerened. So you guys keep thinking this and who knows in 3 or 4 years and we still have nothing well than maybe you will understand.