Edward
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Post all updates here & stay on topic. Personal attacks will get time off.
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QUOTE (perserverance @ Feb 12 2008, 10:17 PM)
Hey-
Could anyone post an up to date list of how the cities have voted
so far and what cities are scheduled for the upcoming week. I know
CLT is this Thur. (14th).
Bob, I couldn't agree more on all the new members....$$$
Thanks in advance..........
Today (Tuesday) was Boston, St. Louis, Seattle, Dallas, San Antonio, Jacksonville and San Juan
Wed. Miami, HNL LL1245, SFO LL1781, MKE
I heard Bos went with 2008, has anyone heard about the others? This was taken from the new direction site, thanks.
The DL President doesnt have the authority to change the bylaws.
Bylaw changes are submitted by the membership at a local lodge meeting, they vote on sending the proposed change to the District to be voted on at the District's Annual Convention.
Tim has started several unions over history.
His first union he tried to setup filed short on cards with the NMB back in very early 1990 and caused a one year bar on organizing, during that time the company decimated the non-union workers.
Then he tried to work for the IBT and they turned him down.
Then he setup Fleet Service Workers United and failed once again to get enough cards to file for an election.
Then he setup the Allied Ground Workers and tried to raid the IAM at US and the TWU at AA.
Then he tried once again on getting the IBT and IBEW to raid the IAM at US.
He was tried and convicted of dual unionism and removed from Local Chairman at ORD, and barred from holding office for a period of time and fined, until he pays his fine he cant hold office.
He tried to work with the TWU on getting a vote at US, once the DFW TWU local lodge President was informed he notified the PHX TWU Local and they stopped using Tim to help them in their campaign.
Funny how when US tried to fire Tim for his posting a call for a work slowdown on the Web Page "The Big Picture" the IAM saved him from being fired.
People are right to question his motives as his track record speaks for itself.
Bylaw changes are submitted by the membership at a local lodge meeting, they vote on sending the proposed change to the District to be voted on at the District's Annual Convention.
Tim has started several unions over history.
His first union he tried to setup filed short on cards with the NMB back in very early 1990 and caused a one year bar on organizing, during that time the company decimated the non-union workers.
Then he tried to work for the IBT and they turned him down.
Then he setup Fleet Service Workers United and failed once again to get enough cards to file for an election.
Then he setup the Allied Ground Workers and tried to raid the IAM at US and the TWU at AA.
Then he tried once again on getting the IBT and IBEW to raid the IAM at US.
He was tried and convicted of dual unionism and removed from Local Chairman at ORD, and barred from holding office for a period of time and fined, until he pays his fine he cant hold office.
He tried to work with the TWU on getting a vote at US, once the DFW TWU local lodge President was informed he notified the PHX TWU Local and they stopped using Tim to help them in their campaign.
Funny how when US tried to fire Tim for his posting a call for a work slowdown on the Web Page "The Big Picture" the IAM saved him from being fired.
People are right to question his motives as his track record speaks for itself.
I did not bash Tim.
I posted about the DL Bylaws as in the other thread and posted factual history as another poster has questioned his motives as do I.
It was 100% on topic as it directly relates to the previous thread.
I posted about the DL Bylaws as in the other thread and posted factual history as another poster has questioned his motives as do I.
It was 100% on topic as it directly relates to the previous thread.
Edward
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This is a warning to stay on topic and not be bashing another poster. Time off awaits if you continue.
This is a warning to stay on topic and not be bashing another poster. Time off awaits if you continue.
I did not bash anyone.
I stated history of a posters practice about unions.
I did not insult nor call him names, I posted factual history.
And it was a direct reply to postings on the previous thread about District Bylaws and another poster who asked about his previous non-support of the IAM and current support.
I stated history of a posters practice about unions.
I did not insult nor call him names, I posted factual history.
And it was a direct reply to postings on the previous thread about District Bylaws and another poster who asked about his previous non-support of the IAM and current support.
The Bagfather
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After talking to a company neg today I want to express my renewed
commitment to the change we seek. The company has taken what In
my view is an extreme stance.
Here are some examples of the mindset of the company. The overall
view is that the sept TA was a fair and reasonable offer. This is
supported by the following rational:
"The outsourcing language is only there to protect the LLC in the event
of another catostrophic event." Mabey I missed something but does
this make sence to anyone? The LLC always has the option of
cutting back flights and laying off employees as much as they want.
So mabey they mean after such an event when they wand to build
the station back up they will now be able to do it more cheaply?
"The compensation in the TA was appropriate." "Some sectors
were getting a four dollar raise" Never mind all the negatives
which put that down to about two dollar raise.
When it was pointed out that the TA represented a major consession to
inflation the answere was: "Inflation is not considered any more in
labor contracts" "All of US labor are experiencing this loss". I guess
therefore we should accept it. At least that was heavily implied. In
fairness I'm sure this neg would say" I'm not implying anything." Well
OK then why are we even talking. And, I have to say. I did wonder that to myself.
"The TA represented industry average." We"re right there in the middle
at No 5." And this was the airlines supposedly with unions. It was a little
amusing to me because I had just check out the chart posted here on
this forum which showed us at the bottom . OK you can do anything
with stats. At least some would try.
"Bottom line is, if you think you are getting a raw deal you can always quit."
This was not said at all in a mean spirited way but more as good practical
advice, never mind that it was a nonsequitur. A slightly more mean
spirited nonsequitur retort might be: " When the company goes bankrupt
do to an exorbitant fleet service contact, all mgt should feel free to look for another
job."
The subject of paying more to get to employees to get a higher quality of work
was met with these two nonsequiturs. "People don't do a good job because of
the money, they do it out of love and care for the work" and,"Look at those
high paid AA rampers; the're lousy workers."
I do not mean to demean this person in any way allthough some of the reasoning
was a little over the top. But what I want to point out is the minset of the LLC.
And the image they want to present as to what a good TA is.
At my best I don't get any joy out of trying to get rid of our current leadership.
And It would be presumptuous of me to think I have any sway, But IMO the only
chance we have against the LLC strategy and mindset is to change the
entire 141 leadership. Thanks BF
I want to be a negotiator. I can go on like this for days or months, smiling all
the way, while I argue everything and concede nothing. I had a good teacher
today.
commitment to the change we seek. The company has taken what In
my view is an extreme stance.
Here are some examples of the mindset of the company. The overall
view is that the sept TA was a fair and reasonable offer. This is
supported by the following rational:
"The outsourcing language is only there to protect the LLC in the event
of another catostrophic event." Mabey I missed something but does
this make sence to anyone? The LLC always has the option of
cutting back flights and laying off employees as much as they want.
So mabey they mean after such an event when they wand to build
the station back up they will now be able to do it more cheaply?
"The compensation in the TA was appropriate." "Some sectors
were getting a four dollar raise" Never mind all the negatives
which put that down to about two dollar raise.
When it was pointed out that the TA represented a major consession to
inflation the answere was: "Inflation is not considered any more in
labor contracts" "All of US labor are experiencing this loss". I guess
therefore we should accept it. At least that was heavily implied. In
fairness I'm sure this neg would say" I'm not implying anything." Well
OK then why are we even talking. And, I have to say. I did wonder that to myself.
"The TA represented industry average." We"re right there in the middle
at No 5." And this was the airlines supposedly with unions. It was a little
amusing to me because I had just check out the chart posted here on
this forum which showed us at the bottom . OK you can do anything
with stats. At least some would try.
"Bottom line is, if you think you are getting a raw deal you can always quit."
This was not said at all in a mean spirited way but more as good practical
advice, never mind that it was a nonsequitur. A slightly more mean
spirited nonsequitur retort might be: " When the company goes bankrupt
do to an exorbitant fleet service contact, all mgt should feel free to look for another
job."
The subject of paying more to get to employees to get a higher quality of work
was met with these two nonsequiturs. "People don't do a good job because of
the money, they do it out of love and care for the work" and,"Look at those
high paid AA rampers; the're lousy workers."
I do not mean to demean this person in any way allthough some of the reasoning
was a little over the top. But what I want to point out is the minset of the LLC.
And the image they want to present as to what a good TA is.
At my best I don't get any joy out of trying to get rid of our current leadership.
And It would be presumptuous of me to think I have any sway, But IMO the only
chance we have against the LLC strategy and mindset is to change the
entire 141 leadership. Thanks BF
I want to be a negotiator. I can go on like this for days or months, smiling all
the way, while I argue everything and concede nothing. I had a good teacher
today.
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Tim Nelson
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700, your 'facts' are obviously second hand. Some of the stuff you said is true and I stand by it and my actions 100%, but some of what you said is 100% untrue. I could say you're lying since I've already asked you to check with the right people to get the right answer, but I just think you're convinced that your sources are accurate. You've never spoken one word to me personally but you should if you are going to libel me again and again. Don't worry, no threat, I'm not going to sue ya but you are 100% wrong on some of these things you mention about me. Nonetheless, I think it was the poster called 'shocker' who asked in a more sensible way, without attacking, why my position changed and I am willing to work to make changes within the IAM as opposed without the IAM. Good questions indeed and worthy of answers. However, I'm going to enjoy breakfast with my son and a cup of coffee right now but when I come back I'll engage in that conversation.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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My understanding is that the company wanted to schedule negotiations for fleet at an earlier date but Boss Canale postponed it until the last week of February so him and his altar boys could convienently fly around on the members dime and campaign at all these Locals for their nominations. The company agreed with this plan and instead scheduled negotiations for February 26th, and that shows how bad they want their lead lapdog to stick around. I find such action not only suspect but also rude, indecent, and typical of the whole Canale regime. Even heard him and RR went to the pro bowl on the members dime.
When the Canale show comes to CLT, someone needs to tell KA that their profanities against the members by burning up the members dues money, after the dues increase, for personal campaigning, and the putting off of negotiations [with company agreement no less] for personal gain is the stuff that company whores do.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
When the Canale show comes to CLT, someone needs to tell KA that their profanities against the members by burning up the members dues money, after the dues increase, for personal campaigning, and the putting off of negotiations [with company agreement no less] for personal gain is the stuff that company whores do.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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700, I resigned from my Local Chairman position a few years back. Nothing barred me from reclaiming the position. I reclaimed if already and that set off Boss Canale so he sent a goofy letter to the company trying to get the company to recognize or install one of his boys that has never even been to a local in his life. Canale failed in achieving this as my Local backed me. An INTL guy was sent in last week and he agreed with my local that Canale's and Liberace's claim was 'baseless'. It was no more than a personal attack against me but Canale can't intimidate me one bit. I only fear the Lord.
Secondly, the company never tried to fire me. How can a company try to fire someone? They either fire someone or they don't, so I'm not sure of your thinking along this line. I have never even been suspended by my employer, ever. Neither was I even an IAM member when this incident that you are talking about happened. What on earth are you talking about????
We've been over this before but you continue to babble in uncertainty. At any rate, why on earth are we even talking about something that happened 10 years ago that has nothing to do with today. Am I seeking your vote? I will now discuss things with the poster named 'shocker' who asked some questions in a more sensible and respectful fashion.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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