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Very well said, b737200, as much as we look forward to finally agreeing
on a contract it becomes three-fold as far as the company goes. They need
an agreement in place to look ''mergerable''. The labor groups unrest is very
unappealing to any airline looking for a mate. The length of time the company
has had to reach some sort of agreement also tells others that the powers that
be
may not be the correct players. The need we have to agree on a proposal is
far outweighed by the greed the company uppers have to ensure thier contract
stipulations in place for any mergers or growth. To put it in lay mans terms we
have ''beer money but we could drink water, they have Dom money and they
need to drink Krysta.'' Though this process seems unforgiving, we are
already being beaten so don't stop the pain til we can make sure the whipping
was worth it.



We have taken many steps in this direction. The talk of the TA and non ratification
vote along with the threat from the IBT and IBEW and now the start of the changing of
the guard from within. The biggest tool we have is communication and the value of being
educated to what is happening now and where we can go from here. Forums like this
aide in this even though influences like ''negative posters'' have and do take us off
subject for the moement we always return to the heart of the matter, ''dignity in the
work place'' and how to achieve this.


In Solidarity,
Thanks
 
Howdy Ya'll...

Im a new member to this board... Fleet Service CLT with ah bunch'a years. I'm lookin' forward to help keepin' this F/S network hooked up. Just so ya'll know.... CLT is more solid than I have ever seen um.

Attention IAM... we watchin'... closely! Attention all Brothers, and Sisters... we have to stay as solid as blue ridge granite ! Attention Tim... thanks for your leadership. It's been a long haul, and it ain't over yet.

Hang in there Fleet !

ROABILLY
 
Howdy Ya'll...

Im a new member to this board... Fleet Service CLT with ah bunch'a years. I'm lookin' forward to help keepin' this F/S network hooked up. Just so ya'll know.... CLT is more solid than I have ever seen um.

Attention IAM... we watchin'... closely! Attention all Brothers, and Sisters... we have to stay as solid as blue ridge granite ! Attention Tim... thanks for your leadership. It's been a long haul, and it ain't over yet.

Hang in there Fleet !

ROABILLY

:angry:
 
Roabilly,
welcome to the board. Glad to see more CLT members getting involved.......

remember strength in numbers....... 🙄 🙄
 
''we are
already being beaten so don't stop the pain til we can make sure the whipping
was worth it.''

Exactly..........thank you

bob
 
Liberace , Districtforce,

what's your take on getting a respectable T/A at the end of the month.


I realize You guys just come around when we are talking about kicking randy to the curb. but being the good union people

you claim to be . whats your meat and potatoes version of our new and IMPROVED T/A..
 
Liberace , Districtforce,

what's your take on getting a respectable T/A at the end of the month.


I realize You guys just come around when we are talking about kicking randy to the curb. but being the good union people

you claim to be . whats your meat and potatoes version of our new and IMPROVED T/A..
Oman,
I agree, their input about a respectable T/A would be appreciated. But I doubt that we will get anything. The I'll Ask Management is notoriously tight lipped about such things. The continue to treat us like mushrooms. But they might finally be seeing the light. We will see.
 
Below is an interesting article that agrees with my stance and fleet service's stance but disagrees with Boss Canale/company stance. The article rightly points out the increased leverage that the airline unions now have because of the changed environment. Unfortunately, it is disturbing that Boss Canale hides this fact.

Unions a wild card as airlines seek deals
Labor set to use leverage on seniority, salary issues
By Julie Johnsson | TRIBUNE REPORTER
February 17, 2008

Figuring out who will be CEO of merging airlines?

That's child's play compared with resolving the complex and emotionally charged labor issues that likely would linger long after any deal is consummated.

Perhaps the most important and contentious element of the process is largely out of management's hands: melding seniority lists for worker groups, which typically is handled by unions of the merging carriers.
But contract elements within executives' control, such as pay increases and work rules, won't be easily settled either, industry insiders said.

Airline unions have significant leverage for the first time since the Sept. 11 attacks, and they are using it as carriers scramble to complete deals and to avoid the labor wars that have hamstrung US Airways since its 2005 merger with America West Airlines.

"There's going to be a cost to be paid for our support," said Greg Davidowitch, who leads United Airlines' flight attendants union.

That places United Airlines Chief Executive Glenn Tilton and other airline leaders in a delicate position as they pursue industry-changing consolidation. After ignoring and often provoking labor's ire, executives need to engender goodwill. Doing so is their best hope of reaching labor accords that will be readily approved by workers of the merged carriers, observers said.

They also will have to contend with the enormous disruption that comes with combining thousands of workers. Although experts don't foresee large-scale job cuts resulting from a United-Continental Airlines merger or a Delta Air Lines-Northwest Airlines tie-up, workers still fear their careers will be stymied or chances of advancement dwindle as seniority lists are combined.

It's so difficult to combine disparate workforces that there's joke circulating: How do you know if the seniority integration was successful?

"If both sides are equally dissatisfied," said Kit Darby, a retired commercial airline pilot who is president of Atlanta-based consulting firm Aviation Information Resources Inc.

For starters, there's the bewildering lingo.

Seniority lists can be compiled by feathering, or shuffling pilots of similar rank, for example; fencing, which protects the career paths of one group of workers for a period of time; and stapling, which simply attaches one worker list to the bottom of the dominant airline's, leaving those employees vulnerable to job cuts. Many TWA pilots stapled to the bottom of American Airlines' seniority list in the 2001 merger, for example, are still furloughed.

Template in the works

The process, which could tax King Solomon's wisdom, played out last week as Delta and Northwest sought to wrap up a merger that would provide a template for other deals.

Their pilot leaders were hammering out a strategy for resolving contractual issues that will arise before, during and after a tie-up, said a person familiar with the talks.

On the table: a merger protection agreement that guarantees airplanes won't be parked or pilot jobs cut as the companies combine, a transition agreement to cover labor issues until a final contract is in place, and the early framework for a collective bargaining agreement.

But to get to a collective bargaining agreement, the companies will have to integrate their seniority lists. Friction already was apparent. One difficulty is that a greater portion of Northwest's pilots are approaching the ends of their careers than those at Delta, which is effectively the buyer.

One solution might be fencing. For example, Delta-Northwest could guarantee the career paths of pilots in line to attain their best-paid jobs, becoming captains of a Boeing 747 jumbo jets at Northwest and captains of Boeing 777s at Delta, sources said.

Both airlines' pilot groups are affiliated with the Air Line Pilots Association, the nation's largest pilots union, which has developed guidelines that determine seniority based on a pilot's career expectations.

Those rules are aimed at helping other carriers avoid the labor schism at US Airways, where pilots and other major worker groups still don't have contracts nearly three years after the merger was announced.
"It's designed to prevent a windfall for one group or another," said Darby. "How that actually shakes out is unclear."

Labor issues are never easy to resolve and have blown up many potential deals that were never made public. For example, Delta and United called off a merger a decade ago, just hours before it was slated to be announced. The deal killer: Delta pilots' demand that they gain a board seat, like United pilots enjoyed, say people close to the carriers.

Tensions are high as airlines contemplate mergers that would remake their industry. United is in talks with Continental, but would resume negotiations with Delta if the Atlanta-based carrier backed away from Northwest. And every other major carrier is contemplating deals, sources said.
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Airlines are pushing to complete deals in time to be reviewed by antitrust authorities within the Bush administration, a process that would take at least six months, experts say. They also are rushing to bulk up global networks to compete as trade barriers fall on trans-Atlantic travel this spring.

Workers, meanwhile, see a chance to recapture some of the wages they lost as carriers reorganized during the recent downturn.

United pilots aim to become the best-paid in the industry, a stature they held briefly at the start of this decade before the Chicago-based carrier headed into bankruptcy.

"I have impressed upon this management group that if they expect our cooperation in any consolidation scenario, it will not be a matter of if our needs are met, but when," Capt. Steve Wallach, head of United's pilots union, wrote in a Feb. 8 letter to pilots.

Coordinating efforts

Adding to the potent mix is the fact labor contracts are coming up for renegotiation across the industry. Pilots and flight attendants unions have been coordinating efforts to an unprecedented degree as they gear up for contract talks and consolidation.

In January, representatives from 26 flight attendant groups representing 90,000 workers gathered in Washington, D.C., to chart strategy.

"If there are going to be opportunities that result from any consolidation, we're going to leverage our collective experience," Davidowitch said Thursday after a two-day planning session with leaders of American Airlines' flight attendants union.

United offered concessions to pilots and flights attendants in January, a move some union leaders interpreted as an effort to build goodwill in advance of a merger. United spokeswoman Jean Medina said the timing was a coincidence.

"We've been open to talking with [the pilots union] on how to move forward on these and similar issues for many months," she said. "We have been and continue to engage with our union leaders on issues important to them, our employees and our company."

But insiders say United has signaled to union leaders that it would boost worker pay and other benefits if it successfully strikes a deal. Such an agreement likely would give all workers the best salary and retirement benefits offered by either carrier, as well as a premium.

Medina declined to discuss specific details of United's labor strategy.

"Of course, our unions will be part of any consolidation discussions," she said.

Some observers worry that workers will demand wage increases that could threaten the long-term stability of the merged carrier.

"We're entering into an era of increased pilot wages and benefits until the whole thing becomes unstable again," said Roger King, airline analyst with CreditSights Inc. "It's just how this industry works."

How rank affects airline mergers

A carrier's pecking order is of vital interest to pilots, flight attendants and other workers since it affects income and working environment.

Integrating seniority lists of combined carriers is such a complex process it has its own lingo:

Feathering: Weaving together similarly situated workers -- pilots of similar rank who fly similar aircraft.

Fencing: Protecting the career paths of certain workers. For example, a carrier might fence off a group of Boeing 747 co-pilots who are in line for the captain's seat.

Stapling: Like it sounds, attaching one worker list to the bottom of the worker list of the dominant airline. Stapled workers fall to the bottom of the pay scale and are the first to be laid off in bad times.


regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
 
After readin’ Tim’s post regardin’ Union Leverage…

looks like them IAM boy’s will have a nice post 911 window of opportunity at the end of the month to actually get us a fair, equitable, and industry standard T/A.

Question is… will the IAM boy’s act on this opportunity, or squander it?
I don’t wanna hear poor…poor…US Airways anymore! … they gettin’ ready to merge big time!
Save the recession, fuel cost, and competition propaganda for a weaker, less solid group.

Fleet Service knows what’s up… and… will ultimately negotiate with the company by a thumbs up… or thumbs down, on any T/A the IAM brings back! Take that to the bank!

Roabilly
 
But insiders say United has signaled to union leaders that it would boost worker pay and other benefits if it successfully strikes a deal. Such an agreement likely would give all workers the best salary and retirement benefits offered by either carrier, as well as a premium.

Isn't it ironic that AL keeps jamming the cost neutral down our throats yet DP said last year that if DL approved the US/DL deal he would pay the higher scales of either airline to make the deal work, but our pal AL thinks he's on another planet....and he is !!!!!!!!!

Pay attention everyone. Don't be fooled by the $$$....there's alot more to be had.......


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Isn't it ironic that AL keeps jamming the cost neutral down our throats yet DP said last year that if DL approved the US/DL deal he would pay the higher scales of either airline to make the deal work, but our pal AL thinks he's on another planet....and he is !!!!!!!!!

Pay attention everyone. Don't be fooled by the $$$....there's alot more to be had.......


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I don't think we can blame Al. He's sitting across his own chief negotiator, Boss Canale. Al's doing what he's paid to do even though it isn' t wise. I would like the BOD to be of a better managed group but this management team is only capable of being picked on by newspapers for how they have handled the labor issues.
OTOH, Boss Canale is doing the opposite of what he's paid to do and is a punk. Let him bring back something indecent and he will get his reward once again.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
 
"Airline workers have an advantage since 9/11 attacks", isn't that the truth. I keep posting the same thing over and over on this thread. The IAM must not agree with another T/A agreement that states they will put off new contract negotiations for 2 years. No matter what this new T/A, if there really is a new one offers this time, the language must not include a 2 year waiver. The company is squirming to get that language signed, sealed and delivered to the sandcastle to destroy each and every Union group within our airline. THEY WANT A MERGER, WAKE UP EVERYONE! WITHOUT THAT LANGUAGE THERE IS NO AIRLINE THAT WILL EVEN CONSIDER MERGER TALKS. CANALE WILL MAKE $$$$$ IF A T/A GOES THROUGH SINCE HE SITS ON THE BOARD WITH UA. DL AND NW LOOK LIKE THEY WILL CUT A MERGER BY WEEKS END.
 
A greeting from THE NEW DIRECTION team's Rich Delaney,

click here

We will enjoy coming for Boss Canale....soon enough.

Also, don't forget about the article about how Labor has the leverage in the airlines now, click here

regards,
Tim Nelson, email here
IAM Local Chairman 1487, Chicago
 
A greeting from THE NEW DIRECTION team's Rich Delaney,

click here

We will enjoy coming for Boss Canale....soon enough.

Also, don't forget about the article about how Labor has the leverage in the airlines now, click here

regards,
Tim Nelson, email here
IAM Local Chairman 1487, Chicago


Members be prepared. Team 2008 is ready.
Merger talks between United Airlines and Continental Airlines Inc have picked up pace, but a deal still hinges on the outcome of discussions between Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines Corp, people briefed on the situation said.

- http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews (2/18/08)

"We have been through de-regulation, multiple bankruptcies and previous industry consolidations. Our strength is our solidarity, and our solidarity will see us through whatever lies ahead."

- Randy Canale 2/6 Letter to membership

On this site we choose to put out factual information for the members to read unlike other sites who choose to put out incorrect and misleading information to union members to serve their own political agenda. The facts are that in the upcoming election the main topics will most likely be a merger and negotiating new contracts. Randy Canale as stated above has been a proven leader through bankruptcies and consolidations. A merger is a potential threat to our job security. At this point it is still being speculated which airline would be the surviving carrier. Regardless Canale has the experience and knowledge to protect jobs, wages and benefits if this should occur.

Rich Delaney and the No-Direction Team has no experience at all. Our jobs and livelyhood could be at stake, what is needed during these uncertain scenarios such as merger is someone who will give us a sense of security and has had proven experience to protect our jobs. The bottomline is that we work to make money, take care of our families with benefits, and job security to protect all union members, should a merger occur.

All this would be at risk under the leadership of Rich Delaney. The No- Direction Team under Delaney's leadership style is a destructive group motivating members through fear, greed and the desire for power, if continued unchecked it can only result in destruction of our future.

Unless you think exactly as the No-Direction Team, you are always wrong in their eyes, this is their justification for destroying our Union.

If we head down the path that blames Canale for the 9/11, bankruptcies and concession caused by it and give your trust in the No-Direction misinformation campaign - the very survival of our Union is threatened and could eventually become extinct.

Our futures are on the line. Again, Randy has the proven leadership to protect jobs during a merger. Rich Delaney's work ethic speaks for itself and would jeopardize the livelyhood of every union member. As the No-Direction Team continues to cast the union in the worst light the best counter is what Randy and his Team 2008 is solidarity. If union members stick together there is nothing we cannot survive. The message Rich Delaney's team is telling members is the Union is the problem and the solidarity they call for is for themselves not members standing up against the company to take back what rightfully belongs to us.

This website is supported by a group of grassroots individuals who support experience. Team 2008 will be coming out with their own official site soon which will explain their experience, knowledge of the job, the diversity of Team 2008 and the different classifications they represent

Team 2008 Link
 
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