Is our only choice a bankrupt contract?

[awausairtech]

700,
the IAM is The Scab, it has turned its face away from the working man long time ago. Unfortunately, the IAM set the new industry standard on contracting out and now both Union & Non union Airlines have followed or are seeking to follow.

regards,

Boy It Sucks To Be You Mr-700 It Seems Alot Of IAM Members
Feel The Same Way As TIM, HOW YOU GOING TO FIX THIS.. :unsure:

Ok LETS Vote Till WE GET IT RIGHT!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

That's what all good union people on these boards have been trying to tell everyone since day one.

It's not about which union represents, it's all of us who have been down this road just trying to avoid a vote and most likely DE-CERTIFICATION.

So why now do you finally put out the truth after pushing so hard for an election which will result in probable DE-CERTIFICATION?

Sounds like you had your own agenda yet again! :down:

When you look at what the company got away with what is so bad about decertification?

At this point the unions have proved that they cant do anything to protect the wages of the common worker, sure they can get the bums back that dont want to work but is that what you want out of a union?

So, since they cant or wont fight to protect your wages and benifits if you are a decent worker the union doesnt provide you any advantages.

If you guys are decertified you have a better chance of making improvements than you do if you stay IAM or especially TWU.

Here's why. If you stay union you are locked into a lousy deal for several more years, then add a few more as they drag out negotiations. However if you decertify, then start a drive for a new union most companies throw sweeteners at you in order to try and convince you that you dont need a union.

Decertification is the workers equivelent to bankruptcy. Just as the company went into BK to void your contracts and get new ones you guys could decertify, rough it out for a year, then reorganize under a new union and get a new contract.

 

[700UW]

Apparently you do not know the history of what US did to the agents when they were non-union.

Why do you think the ramp finally unionized in 1995 after four votes?

 

[Bob Owens]

Working under this Contract is like paying to get "F"d !
So at least we will have the oportunity to vote to stop paying these Whore IAM AGC's and stuffing our cash into there 100,000 yr salary.

You know the IAM loyalists ignorance is so funny the IAM tells them its raining and really there pissing on them!

Actually the TWU pays their whores better than the IAM does. The TWU has no strike fund, is less than half the size of the IAM yet they pay their officers more than the IAM does.

From the 2004 LM-2.

IAM President Buffy $203,000
TWU President OBrien $207,000

So with the TWU every member pays $2/year to the president that they dont vote in and cant vote out but in the IAM you only pay around 40 cents.

So would you rather get ripped off for $2 or 40cents?

 

[Justaramper]

What is a matter Timmy?

Did not get the AGC job you wanted for so long?

, Bullseye on that one 700, he has been on every "bandwagon" since 1989 and has yet not been accepted by any union as the solution to the problem.

But with that said, the IAM has made many a bad decision {the concession stand is closed} and could have done much better with the new blood in the AGC ranks. Failure to listen, has and always will be, a very big problem for Fleet.

Remember, they took all the old IBT guys, put them in place and have failed to recognize the mistake.

Bring that wage down about 35% and see how many of them would stay..?

The contract was shoved down the throat, because some union refused to negotiate. Please don't put the blame on the membership, it was not them at the table. But it's the membership that suffers more than any AGC can imagine.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Apparently you do not know the history of what US did to the agents when they were non-union.

Why do you think the ramp finally unionized in 1995 after four votes?

700,
US AIRWAYS rampers remember quite well what they had immediately before they voted in the IAM. In every way, even including wages, being non-union in 1994 still beats being IAM in 2006. In fact, in 1994 wages were 17.88. Now most stations are at 15.60 with about .10 cent wage increase over the next 5 years to boost them up to 15.80 at 2009.

The ramp fell for the IAM's pitch of 'gaining jobs' since the company contracted out freight. Unfortunately, the IAM agreed to contract out the majority of the remaining jobs so that fleet service went from 6600 down to the January headcount of around 4000. Of the 4000, many are contracted out dues paying members [class 2 stations = contracted out stations that get to pay dues].

The IAM has allowed even non-union rampers from Continental which make significantly more money to handle US AIRWAYS freight at various locations.

Let's see if I got this right. IAM promises to fight like hell to protect jobs. Then it agrees to contract out more jobs so thousands more get laid off and the majority of the 80 stations gets contracted out, and 'significantly' higher paid non-union Continental ramp workers get to work US AIRWAYS freight at various locations....and fleet service gets to pay dues for this. R U Kiddn me?

regards,

 

[robbedagain]

wow TIM! talk about the filthy IAM I didnt know that IAM contract went that far! that is a pathetic POS contract. Get rid of the IAM!

 

[Tim Nelson]

wow TIM! talk about the filthy IAM I didnt know that IAM contract went that far! that is a pathetic POS contract. Get rid of the IAM!

Dude, I keep telling people that the Judge abrogated bankrupt contract is the worst working conditions in the industry for all mainline & legacy carriers, union or non-union. Even 'painfully' worse than US AIRWAYS non-union back in 1994.

The IAM has agreed to allow Continental non-union workers who are paid significantly more [$19.40 something] than IAM members at US AIRWAYS to work your freight at various locations.

regards,

 

[Bob Owens]

700,
US AIRWAYS rampers remember quite well what they had immediately before they voted in the IAM. In every way, even including wages, being non-union in 1994 still beats being IAM in 2006. In fact, in 1994 wages were 17.88. Now most stations are at 15.60 with about .10 cent wage increase over the next 5 years to boost them up to 15.80 at 2009.

$17.88 in 1994 is the equivelent of around $24.50 today.

So in other words not including dues they are making $8.90 less per hour as an IAM member than they were non-union.

Their dues got them a 36% paycut, and by 2009 it will be a 45% paycut (assuming 3% inflation).

Paying dues for a 45% cut in pay? Is that a good investment?

I wonder how International IAM officials pay has performed over that same period of time? How much you want a bet that even when inflation is figured in they didnt take any cut in pay?

Over at the TWU not only do officer pay increases exceed inflation but even when they retire they get an annual 5% COLA!!!!

 

[robbedagain]

Dude, I keep telling people that the Judge abrogated bankrupt contract is the worst working conditions in the industry for all mainline & legacy carriers, union or non-union. Even 'painfully' worse than US AIRWAYS non-union back in 1994.

The IAM has agreed to allow Continental non-union workers who are paid significantly more [$19.40 something] than IAM members at US AIRWAYS to work your freight at various locations.

regards,

yes I am aware that the judge abrogated the contract that is why the IAM refused to negogiate with the company but to no avail. now take a look at how the CWA is getting their pay back. Cant say the same for the IAM. This I most certainly do agree that this is EVEN WORSE than what 700UW wants to admit

 

[Tim Nelson]

$17.88 in 1994 is the equivelent of around $24.50 today.

So in other words not including dues they are making $8.90 less per hour as an IAM member than they were non-union.

Their dues got them a 36% paycut, and by 2009 it will be a 45% paycut (assuming 3% inflation).

Paying dues for a 45% cut in pay? Is that a good investment?

I wonder how International IAM officials pay has performed over that same period of time? How much you want a bet that even when inflation is figured in they didnt take any cut in pay?

Over at the TWU not only do officer pay increases exceed inflation but even when they retire they get an annual 5% COLA!!!!

US AIRWAYS fleet service has been in deep 'pain' since it voted in the IAM. Both ramp and ticket agents made the same money and had the same company retirement contribution rates. Since the IAM, the ramp has been paid way less than ticket agents, and the retirement contribution rates got hammered when the IAM agreed that the ramp should have an additional $48.2 million concession called the IAM pension plan. Amazingly, the IAM loyalist sold that 'deep' concession as something that was a benefit. And they still sell the 48.2 million concession as a benefit.

regards,

 

[robbedagain]

that IAM pension is like rough toilet paper but I wouldnt even use it!

 

[Bob Owens]

US AIRWAYS fleet service has been in deep 'pain' since it voted in the IAM. Both ramp and ticket agents made the same money and had the same company retirement contribution rates. Since the IAM, the ramp has been paid way less than ticket agents, and the retirement contribution rates got hammered when the IAM agreed that the ramp should have an additional $48.2 million concession called the IAM pension plan. Amazingly, the IAM loyalist sold that 'deep' concession as something that was a benefit. And they still sell the 48.2 million concession as a benefit.

regards,

Do your International officers fall under the same plan or do they have their own plan with their own multipliers and Colas like the TWU?

Here is what the TWU International gives themselves.

A 2.5 multiplier based on their best year with a 5% annual COLA .

 

[700UW]

The CWA represented Agents do you not have a defined benefit plan.

Don't let the facts get your way Timmy.

 

[unit4clt]

The CWA represented Agents do you not have a defined benefit plan.

Don't let the facts get your way Timmy.

700,

What is it with you, either you can't read or you cannot comprehend what Tim has posted?

No where in his post does he state that that the CWA represented agents HAVE A DEFINED BENEFIT PLAN!!!

He has correctly pointed out that the ramp took an additional 48.2 million$$ concession to be part of the IAM pension plan.

I guess your behavior is consistant with being a devoted IAM supporter, who really never bothers to look at FACTS. :down: :down: