Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Sully's testimony had no bearing on the jury's decision in Addington did it? Where was he during the trial which just ended? He left USAPA and US Airways in the rearview mirror.
 
We'll most likely have our own reps for SLI so don't worry about the West "kids" we can take care of our interests on our own.
 
That's because your "union" disgusts our pilot group.
 
 
Here's a few examples....
 
 A section 29 letter!!! I guess all in bad standing should be aware!
Just sent email to be taken off dues check off.
SOB's
 
 
Yep, got mine also. For a little balance that THEY screwed up.... Sending a check, not a problem, douchebaggs... Canceling DCO also.



 
Was looking into that also, as I won't be giving them the extra $100... But the bal. owed does NOT include the reinst fee, so DON'T deduct $100 of you'll give em grounds for termination... Douche Bags!
 
We knew the letters were coming so I went ahead and paid the remainder that I knew I owed on the 19th via bill pay. It was received at (chaos headquarters) Uscaba today the 21st. Their section 29 warning letter mailed on the 19th I received it today the 21st. After doing their math, they owe me $95 with what I paid as the money and notice past each other in opposite directions in the mail. Question, what do I do now, as I have already sent the scabs their money through the regular route?
P.S. I really hate those guys...
 
Can we have a positve affirmation of the mentioned statement below? I do not know the scab constitution, but to (don't laugh) a refund it would be worth being in good standing.
good to know it might take ucrapa two or so months to get me off DCO, by then hope these mof's will be history.....
 
I hate these parasites. Found this little gem that describes the future of Uscaba - "Sphincters relax at death, possibly releasing fluids".
 
Uscaba reminds me of an STD that never, ever, ever goes away
 
This is total BS I can't believe airline pilots run a sh-tbag operation like this supposed joke of a union. Pure extortion.
 
WE WILL NEVER GET MONEY BACK from USCABA. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. WE DON'T NEED ANY REPS WITH USCABA ANYMORE
 
I have fought and worked to maintain my bad standing with this "gang" and I will leave in bad standing. It's the one right I have in this sorry scam
 
Can't wait for our so called Union to completely disappear!
 
DCO finished.............Fcuk USAPA forever!!
 
But keep paying the extortion until APA takes over.
 
Even so, the one thing I will agree with you on: this merger will at least put an end to this bunch of crooks called USAPA
 
I hate these scumbags as much as the rest of you, but I will pay dues until AOL says otherwise
 
I will continue to play the game but when I want to pull the trigger and bail it will BE my timeline not these idiots...
 
I HATE getting anything from these clowns in the mail!
 
The checks go directly to the Bank not some USAPA flunky. Never been on DCO and never been fired
 
I would have serious reservations about going off DCO. However, seeing that the worthless douchebags (I'm actually really holding back here...).....I am willing to cut them a check through USAA BillPay in order to maintain control of my $$$ to the maximum extent possible in the immediate future. Screw 'em.
 
It is a grown adults decision how to pay those Scums Bags. I have never been on DCO.
 
I think we should start a contest!!! Creative writers start writing. USAPAs OBITURARY!!!!!(sp).
 
Like zombies, unconvinced of their death and still fighting to screw us with our own dues money.
 
I said it in another thread, if I were a lawyer I would take that case against USAPA, because the details would be EASY to prove that THEY'RE "seniority representation" is NOT OURS (west)  and therefore not conducive to "concluding representation" or closing down UPISSA.
 

Thankfully the Nic's implementation is imminent.. You all need some sunshine in your life.

 

[EastUS1]

Sully's testimony had no bearing on the jury's decision in Addington did it? Where was he during the trial which just ended? He left USAPA and US Airways in the rearview mirror.
 
We'll most likely have our own reps for SLI so don't worry about the West "kids" we can take care of our interests on our own.
 
That's because your "union" disgusts our pilot group.

 That response is actually towards:  luvthe9, on 24 Nov 2013 - 1:07 PM, said:"You West kids really come across so bad on this. Sullenberger did an amazing job, and you clowns have on numerous attempts tried to drag his rep down."
 
Is there a supposed point in any part of your response snap? Is it to somehow be assumed that your continuing tantrum over the nic's an even remotely possible justification for the west's attempts at denigrating the crew of 1549? Seriously? Sigh!...How truly pathetic can "you'se" people get?
 
"That's because your "union" disgusts our pilot group." Well Waah, Waah,etc and goody for "you'se". In case it's entirely escaped your attention; I'm not actually a huge fan of the whole widdle "spartan" thing, but should any or your folks find themselves in a dire emergency and pull a rabbit or two outta' the hat for a casualty-free or as minimal as possible result; I can honestly promise that I'd be among the first to loudly cheer and applaud them. Grow up.

 

[snapthis]

Thankfully the Nic's implementation is imminent.. You all need some sunshine in your life.

 
Hopefully after it's in place, maybe some of those pilots can share their appreciation of having their union thrown out by Usapians.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Arbitrators most often abhor complicated solutions, they work in broad strokes, perhaps only protecting (rather dealing with) one or two areas. [/SIZE]
 
 

 
I think that, as a profession, airline pilots are victims of a very convoluted system of seniority and, as a byproduct, we are afflicted by arbitrators who are too lazy or too clueless to really understand the details.
 
You pointed out a very appropriate description of Nicolau.  He isn't senile.  He's lazy.

 

[Reed Richards]

 
 
Sully's testimony had no bearing on the jury's decision in Addington did it? Where was he during the trial which just ended? He left USAPA and US Airways in the rearview mirror.
 
We'll most likely have our own reps for SLI so don't worry about the West "kids" we can take care of our interests on our own.
 
That's because your "union" disgusts our pilot group.
 
 
Here's a few examples....
 
 A section 29 letter!!! I guess all in bad standing should be aware!
Just sent email to be taken off dues check off.
SOB's
 
 
Yep, got mine also. For a little balance that THEY screwed up.... Sending a check, not a problem, douchebaggs... Canceling DCO also.



 
Was looking into that also, as I won't be giving them the extra $100... But the bal. owed does NOT include the reinst fee, so DON'T deduct $100 of you'll give em grounds for termination... Douche Bags!
 
We knew the letters were coming so I went ahead and paid the remainder that I knew I owed on the 19th via bill pay. It was received at (chaos headquarters) Uscaba today the 21st. Their section 29 warning letter mailed on the 19th I received it today the 21st. After doing their math, they owe me $95 with what I paid as the money and notice past each other in opposite directions in the mail. Question, what do I do now, as I have already sent the scabs their money through the regular route?

P.S. I really hate those guys...
 
Can we have a positve affirmation of the mentioned statement below? I do not know the scab constitution, but to (don't laugh) a refund it would be worth being in good standing.

good to know it might take ucrapa two or so months to get me off DCO, by then hope these mof's will be history.....
 
I hate these parasites. Found this little gem that describes the future of Uscaba - "Sphincters relax at death, possibly releasing fluids".
 
Uscaba reminds me of an STD that never, ever, ever goes away
 
This is total BS I can't believe airline pilots run a sh-tbag operation like this supposed joke of a union. Pure extortion.
 
WE WILL NEVER GET MONEY BACK from USCABA. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. WE DON'T NEED ANY REPS WITH USCABA ANYMORE
 
I have fought and worked to maintain my bad standing with this "gang" and I will leave in bad standing. It's the one right I have in this sorry scam
 
Can't wait for our so called Union to completely disappear!
 
DCO finished.............Fcuk USAPA forever!!
 
But keep paying the extortion until APA takes over.
 
Even so, the one thing I will agree with you on: this merger will at least put an end to this bunch of crooks called USAPA
 
I hate these scumbags as much as the rest of you, but I will pay dues until AOL says otherwise
 
I will continue to play the game but when I want to pull the trigger and bail it will BE my timeline not these idiots...
 
I HATE getting anything from these clowns in the mail!
 
The checks go directly to the Bank not some USAPA flunky. Never been on DCO and never been fired
 
I would have serious reservations about going off DCO. However, seeing that the worthless douchebags (I'm actually really holding back here...).....I am willing to cut them a check through USAA BillPay in order to maintain control of my $$$ to the maximum extent possible in the immediate future. Screw 'em.
 
It is a grown adults decision how to pay those Scums Bags. I have never been on DCO.
 
I think we should start a contest!!! Creative writers start writing. USAPAs OBITURARY!!!!!(sp).
 
Like zombies, unconvinced of their death and still fighting to screw us with our own dues money.
 
I said it in another thread, if I were a lawyer I would take that case against USAPA, because the details would be EASY to prove that THEY'RE "seniority representation" is NOT OURS (west)  and therefore not conducive to "concluding representation" or closing down UPISSA.
 

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmwqnqL3Hbg

 

[Claxon]

 
I think that, as a profession, airline pilots are victims of a very convoluted system of seniority and, as a byproduct, we are afflicted by arbitrators who are too lazy or too clueless to really understand the details.
 
You pointed out a very appropriate description of Nicolau.  He isn't senile.  He's lazy.

Yes the following quote contained was not been;
 
"In recognition of their efforts it was not been an easy task, I
could not conclude this Opinion without thanking Captain Brucia and
Captain Gillen for their immeasurable guidance and assistance."
 
George Nicolau
 
 
"Us Airways, America West Seniority Dispute rough draft timeline

2005-2006  US Airways, United in merger talks

2005 Us Airways, America West merge

May 2007  Arbitrator George Nicolau’ pilot seniority award was issued.  The award was written with the assistance of two "ALPA pilot neutrals", Steve Gillen United Airlines Pilot and  Jim Brucia former Continental pilot now United Airlines Pilot.

2007 Us Airways pilots ask ALPA to review the award.  ALPA president  John Prater, former Continental pilot now United Airlines pilot, assigns ALPA vice president Paul Rice, United pilot,  to review the award.

December 2007,  Paul Rice, United pilot, delivers seniority list to Us Airways.

2007  A group of Us Airways pilots start a drive to start their own in house pilot union.

March 2008  ALPA puts the Us Airways ALPA Mec in trusteeship.

April  2008  In a National Mediation Board sanctioned election, Us Airways pilots oust ALPA and vote in USAPA as their official pilot representative.

May 2008  United calls off merger talk with Us Airways.

June 24, 2008   United Airlines starts furloughing pilots that will eventually lead to 1450 pilots at United on the street.  Had a merger occurred using the Nicolau award derived with the assistance of United pilot neutrals,  Us Airways pilots would have suffered the brunt of the furloughs and few United pilots would have been affected.

2008  America West pilots sue for DFR against USAPA.

2009  2010 US Airways and United restart merger talks.

April 2010  United Us Airways end merger talks.

June 2010  The 9th circuit court rules in USAPA’s favor."
 
Clax
 

 

[luvthe9]

Sully's testimony had no bearing on the jury's decision in Addington did it? Where was he during the trial which just ended? He left USAPA and US Airways in the rearview mirror.
 
We'll most likely have our own reps for SLI so don't worry about the West "kids" we can take care of our interests on our own.
 
That's because your "union" disgusts our pilot group.
 
 
Here's a few examples....
 
 A section 29 letter!!! I guess all in bad standing should be aware!
Just sent email to be taken off dues check off.
SOB's
 
 
Yep, got mine also. For a little balance that THEY screwed up.... Sending a check, not a problem, douchebaggs... Canceling DCO also.



 
Was looking into that also, as I won't be giving them the extra $100... But the bal. owed does NOT include the reinst fee, so DON'T deduct $100 of you'll give em grounds for termination... Douche Bags!
 
We knew the letters were coming so I went ahead and paid the remainder that I knew I owed on the 19th via bill pay. It was received at (chaos headquarters) Uscaba today the 21st. Their section 29 warning letter mailed on the 19th I received it today the 21st. After doing their math, they owe me $95 with what I paid as the money and notice past each other in opposite directions in the mail. Question, what do I do now, as I have already sent the scabs their money through the regular route?
P.S. I really hate those guys...
 
Can we have a positve affirmation of the mentioned statement below? I do not know the scab constitution, but to (don't laugh) a refund it would be worth being in good standing.
good to know it might take ucrapa two or so months to get me off DCO, by then hope these mof's will be history.....
 
I hate these parasites. Found this little gem that describes the future of Uscaba - "Sphincters relax at death, possibly releasing fluids".
 
Uscaba reminds me of an STD that never, ever, ever goes away
 
This is total BS I can't believe airline pilots run a sh-tbag operation like this supposed joke of a union. Pure extortion.
 
WE WILL NEVER GET MONEY BACK from USCABA. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. WE DON'T NEED ANY REPS WITH USCABA ANYMORE
 
I have fought and worked to maintain my bad standing with this "gang" and I will leave in bad standing. It's the one right I have in this sorry scam
 
Can't wait for our so called Union to completely disappear!
 
DCO finished.............Fcuk USAPA forever!!
 
But keep paying the extortion until APA takes over.
 
Even so, the one thing I will agree with you on: this merger will at least put an end to this bunch of crooks called USAPA
 
I hate these scumbags as much as the rest of you, but I will pay dues until AOL says otherwise
 
I will continue to play the game but when I want to pull the trigger and bail it will BE my timeline not these idiots...
 
I HATE getting anything from these clowns in the mail!
 
The checks go directly to the Bank not some USAPA flunky. Never been on DCO and never been fired
 
I would have serious reservations about going off DCO. However, seeing that the worthless douchebags (I'm actually really holding back here...).....I am willing to cut them a check through USAA BillPay in order to maintain control of my $$$ to the maximum extent possible in the immediate future. Screw 'em.
 
It is a grown adults decision how to pay those Scums Bags. I have never been on DCO.
 
I think we should start a contest!!! Creative writers start writing. USAPAs OBITURARY!!!!!(sp).
 
Like zombies, unconvinced of their death and still fighting to screw us with our own dues money.
 
I said it in another thread, if I were a lawyer I would take that case against USAPA, because the details would be EASY to prove that THEY'RE "seniority representation" is NOT OURS (west)  and therefore not conducive to "concluding representation" or closing down UPISSA.
 

Psychotic collection of Snap drivel

 

[nycbusdriver]

Psychotic collection of Snap drivel

 
 
Snap Drivel
 
Sounds like a game app!   
 
"Have you checked out SnapDrivel on your iPad, yet?"
 
:LOL:

 

[Claxon]

Psychotic collection of Snap drivel

snap thought this would help the west pilots quoting their comments in his recent post?  Their juvenile posts do not add much to the america west pilot reputation, which is not very difficult to accomplish.

 

[Claxon]

 
 
Snap Drivel
 
Sounds like a game app!   
 
"Have you checked out SnapDrivel on your iPad, yet?"
 

snap makes it so easy for anyone to sound like they have an intelligent retort.
 
http://www.playitontheweb.com/games/Shooting-Fish-In-A-Barrel-game.htm

 

[Claxon]

I use the following to practice for my match with eastus1.
 
http://www.puffgames.com/jet/

 

[Phoenix]

 
Hopefully after it's in place, maybe some of those pilots can share their appreciation of having their union thrown out by Usapians.

 
 
Courts do not enforce arbitration.... 
 
Read it again.  Courts do not enforce arbitration... they enforce contracts that circumscribe the arbitration... like the 2005 TA that circumscribes the Nicolau arbitration (eccept even Judge Silver disavowed that she had any jurisdiction related to the 2005 TA, when she dismissed your complaint against the company).  
 
If a court, superior to Silver, grants that Silver had jurisdiction to affirm the obligations of each signatory to the 2005 TA (including jurisdiction to affirm obligations that AOL wishes to assume into that TA) then to the same extent a superior court must affirm the obligation of each party to the MOU, especially to the obligations that are in fact contained in it... i.e. the 2005 TA is a nullity.   🙂
 
A judge cannot enforce wishful, nonexistent provisions in the former contract, and at the same time refuse to enforce explicit provisions in the new contract.  

 

[Boeing Driver]

 
 
Sully's testimony had no bearing on the jury's decision in Addington did it? Where was he during the trial which just ended? He left USAPA and US Airways in the rearview mirror.
 
We'll most likely have our own reps for SLI so don't worry about the West "kids" we can take care of our interests on our own.
 
That's because your "union" disgusts our pilot group.
 
 
Here's a few examples....
 
 A section 29 letter!!! I guess all in bad standing should be aware!
Just sent email to be taken off dues check off.
SOB's
 
 
Yep, got mine also. For a little balance that THEY screwed up.... Sending a check, not a problem, douchebaggs... Canceling DCO also.



 
Was looking into that also, as I won't be giving them the extra $100... But the bal. owed does NOT include the reinst fee, so DON'T deduct $100 of you'll give em grounds for termination... Douche Bags!
 
We knew the letters were coming so I went ahead and paid the remainder that I knew I owed on the 19th via bill pay. It was received at (chaos headquarters) Uscaba today the 21st. Their section 29 warning letter mailed on the 19th I received it today the 21st. After doing their math, they owe me $95 with what I paid as the money and notice past each other in opposite directions in the mail. Question, what do I do now, as I have already sent the scabs their money through the regular route?

P.S. I really hate those guys...
 
Can we have a positve affirmation of the mentioned statement below? I do not know the scab constitution, but to (don't laugh) a refund it would be worth being in good standing.

good to know it might take ucrapa two or so months to get me off DCO, by then hope these mof's will be history.....
 
I hate these parasites. Found this little gem that describes the future of Uscaba - "Sphincters relax at death, possibly releasing fluids".
 
Uscaba reminds me of an STD that never, ever, ever goes away
 
This is total BS I can't believe airline pilots run a sh-tbag operation like this supposed joke of a union. Pure extortion.
 
WE WILL NEVER GET MONEY BACK from USCABA. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. WE DON'T NEED ANY REPS WITH USCABA ANYMORE
 
I have fought and worked to maintain my bad standing with this "gang" and I will leave in bad standing. It's the one right I have in this sorry scam
 
Can't wait for our so called Union to completely disappear!
 
DCO finished.............Fcuk USAPA forever!!
 
But keep paying the extortion until APA takes over.
 
Even so, the one thing I will agree with you on: this merger will at least put an end to this bunch of crooks called USAPA
 
I hate these scumbags as much as the rest of you, but I will pay dues until AOL says otherwise
 
I will continue to play the game but when I want to pull the trigger and bail it will BE my timeline not these idiots...
 
I HATE getting anything from these clowns in the mail!
 
The checks go directly to the Bank not some USAPA flunky. Never been on DCO and never been fired
 
I would have serious reservations about going off DCO. However, seeing that the worthless douchebags (I'm actually really holding back here...).....I am willing to cut them a check through USAA BillPay in order to maintain control of my $$$ to the maximum extent possible in the immediate future. Screw 'em.
 
It is a grown adults decision how to pay those Scums Bags. I have never been on DCO.
 
I think we should start a contest!!! Creative writers start writing. USAPAs OBITURARY!!!!!(sp).
 
Like zombies, unconvinced of their death and still fighting to screw us with our own dues money.
 
I said it in another thread, if I were a lawyer I would take that case against USAPA, because the details would be EASY to prove that THEY'RE "seniority representation" is NOT OURS (west)  and therefore not conducive to "concluding representation" or closing down UPISSA.
 

 


What a bunch of scumbag lowlifes...
 
Yet one more time proving how the bottom of the barrel AWA was the only airline where these weirdoes were able to get hired on their own.
 
Pitiful...
 
Boeing Driver

 

[Claxon]

 
 
Courts do not enforce arbitration.... 
 
Read it again.  Courts do not enforce arbitration... they enforce contracts that circumscribe the arbitration... like the 2005 TA that circumscribes the Nicolau arbitration (eccept even Judge Silver disavowed that she had any jurisdiction related to the 2005 TA, when she dismissed your complaint against the company).  
 
If a court, superior to Silver, grants that Silver had jurisdiction to affirm the obligations of each signatory to the 2005 TA (including jurisdiction to affirm obligations that AOL wishes to assume into that TA) then to the same extent a superior court must affirm the obligation of each party to the MOU, especially to the obligations that are in fact contained in it... i.e. the 2005 TA is a nullity.   🙂
 
A judge cannot enforce wishful, nonexistent provisions in the former contract, and at the same time refuse to enforce explicit provisions in the new contract.  

Like the DFR 1, East pilots are preparing for the 9th Circuit Court, in a Federal  Arizona court, two steps ahead of the home team.

 

[Phoenix]

I use the following to practice for my match with eastus1.
 
http://www.puffgames.com/jet/

 
 
Its advertised as a twin engine F-16 Tomcat.    About as accurate as Megan Kelly talking about the Boeing 320.