Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Reed Richards]

[SIZE=10.5pt]I don't have a say, or anyone's ear...but yes. All I want is however many wide bodies we have on the property on Monday. And the APA can bid theirs. Any new ones showing up Tuesday or later should be divvied up (bid on) DOH among ALL pilots (East, West, and APA) with the appropriate fences and restrictions. It is this part only that I believe may go to arbitration, might be for the best. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Oh yeah, on Monday the West Class, if represented separately by a newly created bargaining agent, has Zero such aircraft in PHX. RR[/SIZE]
 
 

By extension that would mean only about 20+ wide bodies for the East?

 

 

[Claxon]

 
"A. ALPA POLICY
Following Arbitrator Nicolau’s decision in US Airways and America West
Airlines, ALPA revised its merger policy. The current policy, dated April 9, 2009, in Part
III, Section C.4.e., provides:
Factors to be considered in constructing a fair and equitable integrated
seniority list, in no particular order and with no particular weight, shall include
but not be limited to the following:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and category

USAPA pilots have a lot to be proud of.  Steve B, Mike C and Mark K, history will show you did the heavy lifting.  People not getting along, part of the process and by-product that made this a great country.

 

[luvthe9]

 I wish the NIC would be imposed.
[SIZE=10.5pt]RR[/SIZE]

You sir, are a real scumbag.  I will always support our junior guys.  RECALL HUMMEL AND BRADFORD  NOW!!!!!!

 

[Reed Richards]

You sir, are a real scumbag.  I will always support our junior guys.  RECALL HUMMEL AND BRADFORD  NOW!!!!!!

Here is the full quote jerk:   For a brief moment of madness, I wish the NIC would be imposed. You and guys like DiOrio deserve it, and you for sure don’t deserve Steve’s hard work.
 
I add you to the list, you don't deserve Steve's work.  RR

 

[Claxon]

History has shown that when there is a change, there is disagreement.
 
Bottom line, alpa tried to screw US Airways pilots.  alpa pilots union, you chose the wrong group in your cowardly attempt to circumnaviagate civility.
 
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/03/30/famous-duels-from-american-history/

 

[Claxon]

 
A. THE APRIL 2009 REVISED ALPA MERGER POLICY
The “legal” framework in which the Board must carry out its responsibility is, of
course, the April 2009 ALPA Merger Policy which, like its predecessors, requires the
Board to construct a “fair and equitable” ISL. The evolution of ALPA Merger Policy
including, most importantly, the modifications following George Nicolau’s Award in the
America West-US Airways case, is central to the resolution of this case.

USAPA footprints.

 

[Claxon]

Now if some US Airways pilot insults an APA pilot and there is a duel maybe we .........,,,,,,,,,,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;????

 

[Reed Richards]

USAPA pilots have a lot to be proud of.  Steve B, Mike C and Mark K, history will show you did the heavy lifting.  People not getting along, part of the process and by-product that made this a great country.

Even Cleary always towed the line on our seniority battle, and would never, EVER have sold out to the West Reps for a recall of Steve Bradford.  Sad day for the reps of CLT and PHL.  Guess we all get what we deserve,  these traitors were elected by the rank and file. 
 
I have not decided how I will vote on the recall.  My gut reaction is to support it and leave this fickle East pilot group to fend for themselves.  RR

 

[Piedmont1984]

You sir, are a real scumbag.  I will always support our junior guys.  RECALL HUMMEL AND BRADFORD  NOW!!!!!!

You sir, are a real scumbag.  I will always support our junior guys.  RECALL HUMMEL AND BRADFORD  NOW!!!!!!

Hey I have an idea. Why don't we actually ask the junior guys what they want, instead of telling them what they want. You know, a survey. Instead of a stupid survey on iPads, which AA has been using for some time now with no serious issues that I know of, or a survey on who will be in charge of turning out the lights at USAPA HQ (the BPR or the officers) - how about a survey of all pilots hired in the east after (insert year). Let's ask them what they think and want TODAY on a range of issues, NOT back in 2007, given all that has transpired, all that has been spent, all that they have seen go on within the union, all that has changed, etc.

You might be surprised.

And show some proof that Hummel and Bradford have abandoned the junior guys.

 

[Claxon]

Even Cleary always towed the line on our seniority battle, and would never, EVER have sold out to the West Reps for a recall of Steve Bradford.  Sad day for the reps of CLT and PHL.  Guess we all get what we deserve,  these traitors were elected by the rank and file. 
 
I have not decided how I will vote on the recall.  My gut reaction is to support it and leave this fickle East pilot group to fend for themselves.  RR

The gut will not function with out the heart.

 

[snapthis]

Yep...and a corporate HQ also.

You know, that is where the upper managers play the east scabs for millions.

 
You also get people like Anderson when you get a job by acquistion rather than interview.

 

[Hate2fly]

 
Well, first of all (if I were one of reps) I would have contacted one of the other officers to see how he was doing, and ask if his family needed any help. Then I would have shut up for a few weeks while he and his loved ones dealt with the tragedy, and let the union run as it should. Or I could have started an email thread with the other BPR members while he was still critical and talk about how to get rid of him as President.  Cleary got a pass for almost 2 years. Only when the wheels came off did sane men come out of the woodwork to take the union back.
 
You are a real ass Hate, talking of a very personal and tragic event as if the drama of "paddles" somehow has any bearing on a simple question of our Contract, UOM, and CBL. Hopefully you never have such an event, but if you do won't see me here talking about your anal fissures and how you threw up everywhere. You would win the jerk of the day award were it not for DiOrio, who I just found out made a deal with the PHX reps to get Bradford on the recall ballot. PHX said they would not support the recall of Gary without Steve. For a brief moment of madness, I wish the NIC would be imposed. You and guys like DiOrio deserve it, and you for sure dont deserve Steves hard work.
 
RR

RR,

If Cleary was in the same condition Hummel is in you would be calling for his ass. I got exactly the response from you I expected. You are a control freak. Guys like you make me sick. Karma is a *****!

Hate

 

[Pi brat]

How come Marty didn't ask for any damages for you but asked to get paid for himself?

How come they never answer your questions?

 

[Claxon]

Hi scab,
Do not really know what you are stuttering about!
The only time the company pushed a list back was when the scab union walked into negotiations immediately following the NMB election and had the company push their DOH scab list right back in their stupid faces.
Now, the Nic,,,,well that is the only accepted system seniority list for all LCC pilots, and I still have a letter from Parker( you know...the CEO of LCC and soon to be AAL) stating the company's acceptance.
Are you talking about that grievance that was denied by the very soon to be former VP?

Tell us about your Nic list without your stupid scab rant. If it is possible. Tell us how your company burned it right back to you with a huge denial on it, heading into a merger. Nice job filing it and getting LCC mgt to prove they never recognized it. Explain away, betting you can't do it without your slobbering scab speak.

 

[Claxon]

James, James, James. Have you forgotten so soon? They ACCEPTED the Nic in writing. In fact the company acknowledge that in court docs less than two weeks ago. It's your scab DOH list that is still sitting on the table. Ignored since 2008. The APA and AOL are going to coordinate amongst their respective INDEPENDENT groups and bury you scabs so deep on the seniority list you'll be begging for the good oil' days when you could have simply accepted the nic and an additional quarter million dollars. Now you'll get nothing but the Nic On steroids...and the bill for West's legal team to boot...on TOP of the millions awarded in legal fees.
Perfect time to be a USCABIAN. The West canceling DCO in droves, new egomaniac scab idiot McKee and his dyke minion TP and crew in charge, millions due to repay the West's legal fees, and a merger/SLI with a bunch of sharks 10x smarter, united, and better funded with a freely independent West class tirelessly aiding in your destruction every step of the way.
You're toast James. Don't do anything crazy like you did that night in Queen Anne. You're under a microscope as it is. You're being monitored very, VERY closely. Silver entered your insane letter into the record for a reason and I have it on very good authority that the US Marshall's office is doing the monitoring with the assistance of your dear US air. James, you let your narcissism and disappointment in this stupid job destroy your life. Couldn't happen to a more deserving POS like yourself helicopter scam boy.

The polygraph pretty much smoked on that one Mark. Between the farm animals and the USAPA blather, you cannot tell the truth.