Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Refer to Judge Silver's words. Have you googled LUP? It's very nebulous.
 
She may rule exactly as you think, I just don't get when people talk about it as if it's done before the ruling comes out.

The judge has already ruled on the declaretory judgment in favor of USAPA.  As far as an LUP, that will have to be decided in a DFR 3 trial that will take a few years.  Either way it goes on her decision, the 9th will take over from there.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
USAPA still has the burden of representing the whole pilot group fairly.
 
 

 
Yes, indeed.  And DOH has passed muster with many courts, including the Supremes, as fair and not arbitrary.  That should be the Merger Committee opener.

 

[snapthis]

Is The West class the plaintiff or is USAPA? Refer to 9th, Addington 1. No please about it.

Tell you what, I could care less about USAPA so why don't you run along and worry about USAPA's recall or leasing some office space on Woodlawn.

 

[traderjake]

 
Yes, indeed.  And DOH has passed muster with many courts, including the Supremes, as fair and not arbitrary.  That should be the Merger Committee opener.

 
And I bet DOH flys about as far as as it did in the last merger. 

 

[nevergiveup]

Clax,
 
What is the LUP?  All I heard from your lawyer was the nic isn't fair.
 
As for the 9th & USAPA being around...time will tell, no?  
 
86

Define LUP.

 

[Phoenix]

Is The West class the plaintiff or is USAPA? Refer to 9th, Addington 1. No please about it.

  

Tell you what, I could care less about USAPA so why don't you run along and worry about USAPA's recall or leasing some office space on Woodlawn.

Objection. The witness failed to answer the question.

Sustained. The witness is directed to answer the question. Remind us who the plaintiff is. 🙂

Your lawyer and "leaders" are fleecing your passionate, willful ignorance. They have been taking some of your money to piddle with the courts in a faux attempt to upend the constructional burden of proof. But mostly they have been eating caviar and crumpets on your dime.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Define LUP.

Leonidas Unconscious Projection.
Legally Undefinable Principle
Lets Use Pragmatism
LOS Uber (relative)Position (in case we merge with Lufthansa next)
Last USAPA Pronouncement
Looks Ultimately Practical

 

[nevergiveup]

Leonidas Unconscious Projection.
Legally Undefinable Principle
Lets Use Pragmatism
LOS Uber (relative)Position (in case we merge with Lufthansa next)
Last USAPA Pronouncement
Looks Ultimately Practical

Lost Under Prater!

 

[Beancounter]

USAPA testified that it won't merge east and west lists as it had proposed prior to the merger with AA. It's in the MOU.
 
The BPR recently passed a resolution giving the merger committee free rein on negotiations with the APA. DOH is not strictly mandated in the C&BLS anyway.
 
USAPA still has the burden of representing the whole pilot group fairly.
 
You do know the question being asked in THIS DFR, right?

Maybe you have some better inner knowledge of what is going on, because what you say and USAPAs actual actions don't seem to mesh. You mentioned in an earlier post that LOS was pushed in arbitration. Everything I've ever seen says DOH was pushed, even after being warned it wouldn't work. Kind of like being warned about being on dangerous ground. One of us isn't getting accurate info.

Bean

 

[nevergiveup]

Maybe you have some better inner knowledge of what is going on, because what you say and USAPAs actual actions don't seem to mesh. You mentioned in an earlier post that LOS was pushed in arbitration. Everything I've ever seen says DOH was pushed, even after being warned it wouldn't work. Kind of like being warned about being on dangerous ground. One of us isn't getting accurate info.

Bean

Does DOH work and is it commonly used with labor union integration? With fences, does anyone gain or lose? Will people be pissed off with the end result, not matter what the method? Will Auburn have a chance against Florida State? 

 

[Pi brat]

Tell you what, I could care less about USAPA so why don't you run along and worry about USAPA's recall or leasing some office space on Woodlawn.

I knew it, you do care. If you COULD care less, you care.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

Tell you what, I could care less about USAPA so why don't you run along and worry about USAPA's recall or leasing some office space on Woodlawn.

 
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[Pi brat]

Maybe you have some better inner knowledge of what is going on, because what you say and USAPAs actual actions don't seem to mesh. You mentioned in an earlier post that LOS was pushed in arbitration. Everything I've ever seen says DOH was pushed, even after being warned it wouldn't work. Kind of like being warned about being on dangerous ground. One of us isn't getting accurate info.

Bean

Geez Bean, it's all available online.
 
From the Nicolau opinion and award:
 
"The US Airways Proposal

The US Airways initial proposal was grounded on a pilot's Date of
Hire adjusted for Length of Service."
 
Let me add a few other tidbits that you might not be aware of from the award. About the AWA proposal to Nicolau:
 
"After the reinsertion of those on extended medical leaves and those in nonflying
positions, this would put 2431 US Airways pilots on the bottom of
the list, 959 of whom were active pilots as of May 19, 2005 with the
remaining 1472 furloughees."
 
Generous, huh?
 
And this:
 
"Like that of US Airways, America West's position was not
substantially modified during the proceedings."
 
Have you read the Nicolau opinion and award? Did you read the transcripts of the last Addington II hearing? I suggest you do and stop taking all your info from people like snappy and res.

 

[usabusdriver]

USAPA testified that it won't merge east and west lists as it had proposed prior to the merger with AA. It's in the MOU.
 
The BPR recently passed a resolution giving the merger committee free rein on negotiations with the APA. DOH is not strictly mandated in the C&BLS anyway.
 
USAPA still has the burden of representing the whole pilot group fairly.
 
You do know the question being asked in THIS DFR, right?

 
 
PI,
 
There is a sundry of arguments.
 
The argument initially was whether usapa's interpretation of the MOU as a "new process" that conforms to M/B to create a "clean slate" for ordering the east/west pilot seniority ignoring the Nic is a failure of DFR.  
 
There is also an argument if the west pilots should have "party" status in a M/B proceeding in a "three way" as supposedly defined in the MOU.
 
These arguments then morphed into whether or not the east/west "dispute" could be adjudicated in a M/B proceeding.
 
Sheesh. Ya need Cliff Notes for this stuff.
 
I ask that you please read Doc 212, the company's request for summary judgement to give the west pilots a seat at a M/B arbitration.
http://www.usairlinepilots.org/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&F=4203&Itemid=522
 
Then Doc 270, usapa's response.
http://www.usairlinepilots.org/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&F=4399&Itemid=522
 
Then Doc 277, the company's reply.
http://www.usairlinepilots.org/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&F=4433&Itemid=522
 
Then Doc 283, usapa's reply.
http://www.usairlinepilots.org/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&F=4433&Itemid=522
 
Finally Doc 284. AOL's reply.
http://www.usairlinepilots.org/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=5&F=4471&Itemid=522

 

[usabusdriver]

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