Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

The most senior pilot of america west was a scab.  america west wide body aircraft?  america west pilot airplanes all paid the same.  Like bret butler said in a phx pilot meeting, china air is your only chance.
 
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2007-06-26-amwest-senior-pilot_N.htm

How about the USAPA inner circle?

CAL.....mid 80's

 

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McNerlin, Irby Randal WAA 77 SSN 9571, dob 6/23/47, ATP2113107, Blimp

 

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How about the USAPA inner circle?

CAL.....mid 80's

"AFAP 89 85 America West  scabs"
 
That is fine with me, mention his name.  You had a group of people that were scabs and flew drugs.  Any name that you provide proof of being a scab deserves the attention.
 
Say hi to america west pilots mike daly and eddie chandler who star in the follwoing scab recruitment video.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

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Please give my best to eddie snap.
 
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ed-chandler/46/252/650

 

[snapthis]

AFAP 89 85 America West   sScab
 
That is fine with me, mention his name.  You had a group of people that were scabs and flew drugs.  Any name that you provide proof of being a scab deserves the attention.

Don't forget to look up that Usapian on that list of yours.

While you are at it, look up the word.,,,..........,,Hypocrite.

 

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Don't forget to look up that Usapian on that list of yours.

While you are at it, look up the word.,,,..........,,Hypocrite.

Elaborate please.

 

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america west airline pilot classic video.  Strength through attrition was the correct outcome you predicted.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxaQFQC0MAY

 

[Res Judicata]

Elaborate please.

James Ray. THE SPOKESMAN OF YOUR FAKE UNION Is a CAL scab. Everybody knows that. Even you.

 

[prechilill]

I read the arguments from the arbitration as well , P-Brat.
Both sides had their time on the floor and the arbitrator ruled.
"If the Merger Representatives are unable to agree on an integrated list, the matter may be referred to Mediation-Arbitration or directly to arbitration if the Representatives choose that path. In this instance, despite a year of negotiating efforts, there was no agreement on a list. Subsequently, the Representatives choose the Undersigned as Board Chairman and opted for the Med-Arb process. Those
mediation efforts, held over the course of five days in October 2006,
were similarly unsuccessful. Thereafter, the Parties agreed on the
arbitration ground rules, and, pursuant to the Policy, each chose a
Pilot Neutral from ALPA's Pilot Neutral Master List as a nonvoting
member of the Arbitration Board.After receiving pre-hearing statements of position, the Arbitration Board held a hearing over eighteen days in Washington, D.C. in the months of December, 2006 and January and February, 2007, during which both Parties were afforded full opportunity to offer evidence and argument and to present, examine and cross-examine witnesses. A transcript, consisting of 3102 pages, was taken. There were 20 witnesses and 14 volumes of exhibits."
How was US Airways doing?
"Its history shows a steady decline in its fortunes, with no hiring at all between 1990 and 1998, an unsuccessful Metrojet "airline within an airline" venture, an inability because of government disapproval to merge with a then stronger United Airlines, continuing furloughs after September 11, 2001,a concessionary Restructuring Agreement in July 2002, an August 2002 filing, a failed reorganization following its emergence from
bankruptcy because of its inability to resolve its structural problems, and a consequent second bankruptcy in September 2004, after which its pilots had to make additional concessions of both pay and
protection if the carrier was to have a chance to survive. When all this is coupled with the fact that as of the time of the merger there had not even been the presentation of a stand-alone reorganization plan to its creditors' committee it is plain that the career expectations of the US Airways pilots were bleak indeed, with no prospect of growth or significant advancement even through attrition, and the clear possibility of no jobs at all."
How about America West?
"In addition to the evidence of its financial performance, the fact is that 360 pilots, close to 20% of the work force, had been hired between 11/4/02 and the date of the merger. This, in contrast to the picture at US Airways, where therenwere no new hires after 4/7/00 and, as of the date of merger, no returning furloughees."
The most senior America West pilot was placed after more than 500 East pilots by Nicolau. How about our most senior pilots falling 500 slots? I did not see them throw a hissy like the Angry FO's who formed USAPA. FO's as in Furloughed.

Don't confuse the community college prodigy with facts

 

[EastUS1]

Don't confuse the community college prodigy with facts

 
Most kind of "you'se" pre, after all...not everyone can front anything even approaching AWAsome academic credentials the level of your "I hate all of you'se!" group. 🙂 As an individual of course, it goes without saying that the prescient "T minus" clocks and profound predictions that you've always so graciously provided us for proper amusement mark "you'se" self to be, without possible question, the absolute apogee of human intellectual potential around here. Thanks yet again for the dependable laughs, and do keep 'em coming. 😉

 

[Pi brat]

I read the arguments from the arbitration as well , P-Brat.
Both sides had their time on the floor and the arbitrator ruled.

 

I'm not sure what all of that had to do with my post. My post was to show Bean that the US proposal was indeed LOS, that the AWA guys weren't exactly over generous in their proposal and that they didn't substantially change it either.
 
But since you are talking about the health of AWA, I like this from you 2004 10-K(I'm sure you don't know what that is pre-Google it):
 
"During 2004, extremely high jet fuel prices and excess capacity throughout the domestic air system began to negatively impact the low cost segment of the airline industry. As a result, several low cost carriers that had previously operated profitably, including AWA, experienced declining earnings. AWA reported a net loss of $85.3 million for 2004."
 
"In addition to our operations through our hubs, we initiated point-to-point service in certain transcontinental markets in October 2003. With continued high jet fuel prices and substantial competitive reaction to our transcontinental service, which resulted in increased capacity and decreased fares, we scaled back our transcontinental flying in late 2004. Non-stop services from New York City’s John F. Kennedy International (JFK) and Logan International Airport (BOS) airports to San Francisco International Airport (SFO) were suspended in November 2004. We also suspended service between BOS and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and LAX and Washington Dulles International Airport in early 2005."
 
Hiring pilots is not the best indicator of airline health. US hired pilots right up until they furloughed them several times. Where were those new airplanes you had on order going to go? Oh, that's right, Parker said likely back to the lessor.

 

[traderjake]

James Ray. THE SPOKESMAN OF YOUR FAKE UNION Is a CAL scab. Everybody knows that. Even you.

 
You're only telling half the story.
 
You left out Steve Crimi.

 

[nevergiveup]

Doh, 5yr fence around PHX, both AA and East widebodies. Cookies and cheeze foe everyone! 

 

[traderjake]

You're going to be disapointed if that's what you think.

 

[snapthis]

Don't confuse the community college prodigy with facts

It's just the same ol pattern of half-truths and lies. It's the same thing I saw in court, the no-shows, evasive behavior. The only way to get to the truth if not in court are the docs and transcripts.

There is one thing for sure, they are not to be trusted. If there is one character trait out with an Usapian is a lack of character.

The moral type.