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Reed Richards said:
Still waiting for an intelligent reply from an East pilot telling me why Steve Bradford was recalled by PHL and CLT. I can only hope it will be better than made up stuff, like "Tim Baker having a job at Jet Blue."snapthis, on 14 Dec 2013 - 1:31 PM, said😀o you think those donations will help when the West votes....Yes?Good luck, RR. You're going to need it.You are correct Snap, we are going to need luck. The Recall 6 have put the East pilots in the unenviable situation of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. You guys will probably be able to throw out Gary and the Founder, and throw the union into a new election. An election in which the East vote will almost surely be split, and the West Candidate will win. You might even get under the wire and be able to alter the committee structure going into M/B, especially if Silver causes any delays in the process. Nicely played, especially the way you got our own guys to sell out Bradford.Votenorecall.orgRRNO RECALL/NO NIC
RR, I was needling you about the donations. Obviously, whatever is collected won't influence the West vote.
 
Reed Richards said:
Still waiting for an intelligent reply from an East pilot telling me why Steve Bradford was recalled by PHL and CLT. I can only hope it will be better than made up stuff, like "Tim Baker having a job at Jet Blue."snapthis, on 14 Dec 2013 - 1:31 PM, said😀o you think those donations will help when the West votes....Yes?Good luck, RR. You're going to need it.You are correct Snap, we are going to need luck. The Recall 6 have put the East pilots in the unenviable situation of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. You guys will probably be able to throw out Gary and the Founder, and throw the union into a new election. An election in which the East vote will almost surely be split, and the West Candidate will win. You might even get under the wire and be able to alter the committee structure going into M/B, especially if Silver causes any delays in the process. Nicely played, especially the way you got our own guys to sell out Bradford.Votenorecall.orgRRNO RECALL/NO NIC
The most desirable methodology to infuriate the west would be to recall Hummel and leave Bradford. They go postal at the mere mention of the Founder. That is, alone, reason to retain his services.
 
RR, I was needling you about the donations. Obviously, whatever is collected won't influence the West vote.
Dang, our whole plan just fell apart. You guys are so much more savvy than the CLT reps! RR
 
The most desirable methodology to infuriate the west would be to recall Hummel and leave Bradford. They go postal at the mere mention of the Founder. That is, alone, reason to retain his services.
My educated opinion is you will not "get" Hummel without also losing Bradford, no matter the vote. RR
 
3dtv said:
Stop drinking Jamie. The only TRAITORS are Diorio and his blind vice chairs and CLT rep fools who played right into the hand of the NIC loving west.
Can't wait for the EMAILS. to go public, bet you can! Bottom line TIM had a job another AIRLINE when he voted our pension away! JETBLUE, AIRTRAN, EASYJET!
 
nycbusdriver said:
I second that.
Watch the " Can't take the heat in the Desert" series filmed when Bradford visited the west early on. Uncontrolled fury and unchecked anger. Retaining the Founder makes perfect sense to cement the fact the west is neutered politically.
The Nicolau was thwarted due to his efforts. Cannot speak to his recent activity, but you should thank him every passing day for getting ALPA off your backs.
Bradfords' early effort and Marty Harpers' inept legal maneuverings have stopped the Nicolau dead.
 
nycbusdriver said:
I doubt he could possibly be on the list since no one has been furloughed in years.  Once the last furloughee has been recalled, or given that option, pilots on personal leave have to come back or reliquish their rights to ever come back at their place on the list.
Some of the JBlue pilots have turned their employment contracts with JetBlue into valid reasons to maintain leave status with many other carriers. Jeff Skiles has also used his contracts to remain on leave.
 
Claxon said:
... but you should thank him [Bradford] every passing day for getting ALPA off your backs.
 
 
I absolutely do thank him for getting ALPA the h*** off the property.  I hope I get to meet him one day and say that to him personally.
 
I can't imagine that the east rank-and-file would vote to recall Bradford.  Maybe the fact that he was put in this position of being recalled by twisted politics will be enough to get voters past their apathy.  A good voter turnout to defend Bradford would also benefit Hummel.
 
Bill Brasky said:
You guys are SO misinformed it's ridiculous. Baker isn't at JetBlue, he went to Airtran. He even helped to get them into ALPA before they were bought by Southwest.

You know who ABSOLUTELY wasn't involved in any of your pension crap? Gary, that's who. The other union nitwits? I wouldn't count them out. I have to agree with trader here. Anybody pressing for a recall tight now is an idiot, plain and simple. Look for the recall to fail miserably and a recall of the reps involved to commence post haste.

I could give a crap whether Gary is on sick leave or not, as long as he's doing his job, which he appears to be. Any of the other clowns that tried and didn't get elected that are now trying to use his condition to gain political clout for themselves wouldn't be flying either if they had gotten the job. They should be ashamed of themselves for even trying this stupid stunt.

Don't believe a word you read on this idiotic forum. The three or four guys on here seem to have their own agenda, and are either just plain stupid or fabricate stories to suit their needs.
Well  I guess the BPR are idiots, they voted with intimate knowledge to recall GARY, regardless of what airline TIM BAKER went to!
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
Well  I guess the BPR are idiots, they voted with intimate knowledge to recall GARY, regardless of what airline TIM BAKER went to!
Glad to see you agree.
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
Can't wait for the EMAILS. to go public, bet you can! Bottom line TIM had a job another AIRLINE when he voted our pension away! JETBLUE, AIRTRAN, EASYJET!
Wrong. I knew Tim personally. He didn't go to work for Airtran for some months after the pension non-vote. It was only after he received death threats from fellow pilots that he joined Airtran.
 
Claxon said:
The most desirable methodology to infuriate the west would be to recall Hummel and leave Bradford. They go postal at the mere mention of the Founder. That is, alone, reason to retain his services.
 
Agreed.
 
PullUp said:
Wrong. I knew Tim personally. He didn't go to work for Airtran for some months after the pension non-vote. It was only after he received death threats from fellow pilots that he joined Airtran.
Jesus... listen to us... really
 
Simply go to PayPal.com.
 
This censorship is one of the reasons the BPR took this desperate measure. If you elect Reps and they are not allowed to communicate with you when it does not suit Gary's purpose, why have them? Why elect them? Why have a union at all? Rename the whole thing HALPA (Hummel's Airline Pilots Association).
 
Click on"personal" on the top left
Go to the "transfer" tab just below that and a drop-down menu will appear.
Click on "send someone money."
A box will appear with blanks for "your email", "their email," and an "amount."
Fill out the info including RecallHummel@gmail.com in "their email" and click "continue" and you will be rerouted to payment information with an option to pay with a credit card or sign into your paypal account.
 
If you already have a paypal account (or would like to create one) simply cut and paste this address in your browser and you will be routed right to the payment page:
http://paypal.com/xclick/business=recallhummel@gmail.com
 
Do we continue to make the same mistakes again and again by letting a few (ALPA's roll-call) or in this case one person decide our future?  Complaining about the "crappy deal" we got because we didn't live up to the ideals that this union was founded on will be 'on us' unless we take it back.  That big retro check we will get?  It is in spite of Gary Hummel's efforts and that is all you need to remember.  It took the BPR to get us that check.
 
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