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Reed Richards said:
 
If the shoe fits.....
 
Ok dumbass, one more time. YOU DON'T GET RETRO FOR MONEYS GOING into YOUR BANK 8 FEB - 9 DEC. ONLY out.  "Hello, McFly!"  RR
 
 
Ok...explain to me why?   It's time "credited"  for future payment.
 
does this little thing here not say.  For total hours flown?
 
For purposes of this letter
,
the Applicable Time shall be the pilot's total hours of active duty between the date of
ratification by the US Airways pilots of the parties’ Memorandum Of
Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement
and the Effective Date
 
 
I dunno....If I could read it says the "TOTAL HOURS"   not just credited hours.  But total.   be it PNC, training,  sick, vacation, etc etc etc......Why should bank be any different.   Bank is part of the total hours of active duty.  Is it not.    Or did I earn those hours not being active?
 
 
So who is really the dumbass.........
 
Nowhere in the MOU does it carve out the Bank hours.   All it says is total hours of active service.   So WTH is bank time?
 
 
"For the purpose of this paragraph "hours of active duty" shall include ALL hours of flight pay"
 
nevergiveup said:
Shouldn't it depend on whether or not the bank time was earned prior to or after Feb 8th? If after, I think you have a good case; I as well.
 
It should but the company probably doesn't want to go back and figure out which hours were earned before and after.
 
luvthe9 said:
 
Good Letter............If you are confused as to what this recall is all about, there are some things being hidden from you.  Hummel, Bradford and Streble have demanded that the company (Allied) that is putting out the letters from the BPR that they are paying for have only Paul DiOrio's email address on it so that you will think these letters are just from him.  In other words, if the other 8 reps put a letter out, it will still only have Paul DiOrio's email address on it.
 
This is done so you think that he is the only one that is pushing for this recall.  Another in a long line of dirty tricks that are being played on you.  It is done so you will be confused who is behind all of this and who is calling for the recall.  Just so you know.  All 9 Reps have voted for the recall.
 
Both the BPR and Gary are not supposed to send out campaign letters unless they pay for it themselves.  But this week, you got just that from Gary Hummel but paid for by your dues.  But that's not all, USAPA had hired a PR company to help with the MOU, instead, Gary used that PR firm to write that letter.  Again, with your dues.  Again, one set of rules for the BPR and another set that Gary makes up as he goes.
 
I read Mark King's attack letter.  No where in the letter does he address the problems that Gary's secrecy has caused or his severe health problems.  Instead, it is a personal attack that besides insulting Paul DiOrio's integrity, it also insults all other 8 Reps that also voted for the recall.  As if those other 8 Reps don't have enough integrity, honesty and understanding of what is happening to decide on their own.  King neglects to say that many of those Reps have watched how the BPR has been removed from any involvement of the negotiations and meetings and pleaded with Gary to be transparent and open about what he is doing and have met with no success.  Their frustration is driving this recall.
 
You can read all these attack letters signed and unsigned (don't you just love the heroism of someone that writes an attack letter and doesn't sign it)? Don't just read the words, look at what is happening with your own eyes.  Censorship of the entire BPR, forcing Allied to use only Paul DiOrio's email address, the secret meetings with the company that Gary admits to, the witnesses that tell you that he was secretly in touch with Scott Kirby, Gary's undermining of the previous administration, his severe health problems hidden from you, his efforts to stop the retro active pay raise, etc.  I could go on and on.  Mark King and some others can tell you what they think, but they can't change the facts, so they use personal attacks instead.
 
If you want secret negotiations, deals made without any input by you or the elected reps you voted for, if you want someone that ignores the USAPA Constitution, By-laws and UOM, than by all means vote to keep Gary.  Because if you vote to keep Gary in office, you are telling him that you want secret meetings and secret deals.  Votes matter.  In this case, a vote to keep Gary in office is a vote of confidence in his leadership tactics.
 
In some ways, this is the ALPA-USAPA vote all over again.  Do you want one person to make secret deals or an open and honest union to represent you.  It's up to the pilots to decide. 
 RECALL HUMMEL NOW!!!!
 
 
I received a lot of letters from the ALPA Concerned Pilots Committee (ACPC) too.  
 
Boy did I get a lot of FUD email and mailers from them.  They made lots of dire predictions, on my dime.  Really scary stuff like... if we voted contrary to the ACPC we would end up getting the NIC enforced, or we risked getting a West Tyrannt to rule over us, or we would have no respect from the whole freaking industry, FOREVER.  And we would lose ALPA award winning services.   But most dire is we would lose their leadership!  Come to think of it the ALPA faithful always reverted to telling us scary scenarios of how bad life would be if we didn't trust them.  
 
Its simple.  Does the BPR trust Gary when the BPR is adjourned?  
 
 
At approximately 2015, Gary asked for a motion to adjourn this quarterly meeting since it is late December and next month is a new quarter. Stein/Dugstad moved/seconded the motion, and after brief comments, the motion failed 2-9 (Yes - DCA; No - PHL, PHX, DCA).
At approximately 2020, without exception, the meeting was recessed to a Call of the Chair, or a Call of the majority of the BPR.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Crzipilot said:
 
 
 
Ok...explain to me why?   It's time "credited"  for future payment.
 
does this little thing here not say.  For total hours flown?
 
For purposes of this letter
,
the Applicable Time shall be the pilot's total hours of active duty between the date of
ratification by the US Airways pilots of the parties’ Memorandum Of
Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement
and the Effective Date
 
 
I dunno....If I could read it says the "TOTAL HOURS"   not just credited hours.  But total.   be it PNC, training,  sick, vacation, etc etc etc......Why should bank be any different.   Bank is part of the total hours of active duty.  Is it not.    Or did I earn those hours not being active?
 
 
So who is really the dumbass.........
 
Nowhere in the MOU does it carve out the Bank hours.   All it says is total hours of active service.   So WTH is bank time?
 
 
"For the purpose of this paragraph "hours of active duty" shall include ALL hours of flight pay"
 
 
 
Hey,  He told you 20 is like 14 so it looks pretty good to him (and he used up his bank).  You are supposed to agree already.  You aren't supposed to look at the hours you flew.  Isn't that obvious?  GGGGs.  When will you guys just get it?  I am so tired of malcontents.  Maybe Chip can weigh in on this and unify everyone.   
 
EDIT:  Someone stole my password.  
 
If you guys are getting USAPA emails please note the one from the NAC on 16 Nov, and specifically the link to a "clairification letter" dated 18 APR 13.  There you will see item 6 says retro applies only to hours "paid."   For those of you that only get your news, and carry on your debates, with grown men wearing super hero tights....you can consider yourselves the least informed of our pilots.  But if you want to trade action figures or read comic books together, send me a personal.....it would make my day. RR
 
 
 
Phoenix said:
 
 
Hey,  He told you 20 is like 14 so it looks pretty good to him (and he used up his bank).  You are supposed to agree already.  You aren't supposed to look at the hours you flew.  Isn't that obvious?  
There is no way you are an active pilot here.  Not sure you ever have been, at least in this decade. Much less one that ever went from F/O to C/O and saw the "hours" in your positive bank go down.  That is "obvious." RR
 
 
Phoenix said:
 
Its simple.  Does the BPR trust Gary when the BPR is adjourned?  
 
 
It is indeed simple, but has nothing to do with the BPR.  It is the pilots that have to "trust" Gary, not the BPR.  Not a trivial point, thus the reason for a member vote.  RR
 
Reed Richards said:
There is no way you are an active pilot here.  Not sure you ever have been, at least in this decade. Much less one that ever went from F/O to C/O and saw the "hours" in your positive bank go down.  That is "obvious." RR
 
 
 
I found out long ago one can have positive bank or QOL.  Bank does little more than make SAP a little easier, but the trade off isn't worth it, IMHO.  I can't remember the time I had positive bank.  P.S. I am flattered that you would find me worthy of your personal attacks.  Seriously, the condescension is appreciated.   I'm not really worthy.  Seriously.  
 
Reed Richards said:
It is indeed simple, but has nothing to do with the BPR....
 
It seems the BPR has claimed Gary exhibits that exact opinion you just expressed.  
 
Reed Richards said:
It is indeed simple, but has nothing to do with the BPR.  It is the pilots that have to "trust" Gary, not the BPR.  Not a trivial point, thus the reason for a member vote.  RR
Trust gary hummel?  What exactly was his stand on asking for retro pay?
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]They stupidly also claim Hummel made secret deals and took graft. At least they spent over 2 hours discussing a $600 expenditure on P4P ties, while over a 2K/hour legal team sat in the room. I would welcome the BPR expressing any relevant opinion, much less showing up with written resolutions, or at least having already read the ones proffered by others. RR[/SIZE]
 
 
Phoenix said:
 
It seems the BPR has claimed Gary exhibits that exact opinion you just expressed.  
 
 
RR. I copied those to paragraphs from the Usapa web site. No where does any of the items. Mou. Or clarification. Letter From The 18 th. state monies paid. Read it again
 
Judge Silver will issue a ruling based on a company paid puppet, gary hummel. 
 
When the Judge issues her ruling (imminent), or better defined as mediation suggestion, hummel will claim it is time to put this behind us and not appeal her ruling. 
 
hummel will be recalled.  Everyone has to remember that the recall effort started before her ruling.  There are those that will soon claim that the recall was in response to her rulling, it started well before because of the mistrust in hummel.  I will book mark my post and use it often.
 
Claxon said:
Trust gary hummel?  What exactly was his stand on asking for retro pay?
His stand did not matter, he had one vote for ratification just like me (and not like you, since you do not fly). He only signs the completed and ratified agreement. Read the CBL lately? RR
 
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