Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[electricjet98]

Precisely.
 
And given the DOJ's action in stopping the merger with the resultant divestment of money-making assets...just how benevolent would LCC have been?
 
Certainly, in this case at least..."a bird in the hand was worth two in the bush"!

 

[A320 Driver]

 
 Too little's being otherwise put out that serves to do much more than sling mud.

Great Point. But once it is started...how do you stop it? If you take the high road and don't respond, pretty soon there is so much mud on you that you can't be recognized...and you lose. Sad process, but it gets worse...like an F/O rep at the back of the room during a BPR meeting working the crowd and misrepresenting the actions of the officers. Saw that one in person...politics.

 

[Phoenix]

 

 

[SIZE=10.5pt]They stupidly also claim Hummel made secret deals...[/SIZE]
 

 
 

hummels stance on retro pay?

 

 
 

 
"For it" before the CLT reps knew it was even there. Nuff said. RR

 
Things that make ya go, hummmmel?  
 
If you call Hummel, will he boast that he made a deal with the company to lowball the NAC/BPR with the intention to limit negotiations at or below a secret Company/Hummel agreed point of retro pay?  
 
Hummel won't answer my calls because I don't have a positive bank.  
 

 

[nevergiveup]

 
......or we could still be on LOA 93.

we will never know.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Well...He IS being directly paid by the company, not as a pilot, but purely to hold the office of union president. I suppose that shouldn't raise ANY red flags for anyone? As one human being towards another; I wish him the very best with his medical issues and a full recovery, but it passes rational thought to not at least wonder what a person with such constraints might be willing to do to secure his own future. An apparent history of solo meetings/contacts with management fails to assure much peace of mind in that regard.

 
 
The recall question is easy.  
 
Who is more likely to be rewarded with a cushy company job for outstanding "service" to the pilots, so to speak?  Who is less likely?  Pick.    

 

[Pi brat]

 
 
The recall question is easy.  
 
Who is more likely to be rewarded with a cushy company job for outstanding "service" to the pilots, so to speak?  Who is less likely?  Pick.    

Not sure I follow you on this one, who are we picking between? Who will replace those recalled?

 

[Reed Richards]

Had the MOU failed to pass, there could have been some quick negotiations and a better offer made. While this is only a speculation, letting the group vote kept the process moving. Although I voted  against it, it is a done deal. Time to move forward to the next JCBA.
 
Just voted against the recall as well. Too late in the race for a 4 tire change with just two laps to go.(I know many will not understand this analogy!)   

[SIZE=medium]The method you suggest to get “more” was already used when the  BPR turned down MOU I.  Pat, Brian, and especial Rowland (Professional Negotiator for USAPA) did all but BEG the BPR to take that deal.  Next time you see Rowland at a meeting, pull him aside and ask him if he would have preferred MOU I over II.  He will tell you with MOU I in his pocket he could have done BETTER than MOU II later on.  But that did not happen, the BPR did as you mention (and as the majority of our pilots believe) and held out dangerously for MOU II.  We came very close to simply being left behind.  When it did come down to the wire on II, the head of the UCC made it clear he was not going to risk the great returns he was getting for his clients waiting for your group to be satisfied.  Please, ask Rowland.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]Bottom line is we paid and supposedly trusted a very talented group of advisors, including the long promised “professional negotiator” Wilder..and we did not listen to them.  We are damn lucky (yes lucky) we got anything.  Dec 9th[/SIZE] could had come and gone, the merger would have happened, and we would still be under LOA 93 for another 18 or so months waiting for single carrier status.   All these years of getting the short end by letting “pilots” do our bidding, and we finally get it right..and ignore the process and advice.  I am convinced if we had even another pension this group (most of you on this forum) would be stupid enough to lose it.
 
[SIZE=medium]There are a few here that will back me up, the rest of you seem content looking for boogie men, such as the President being paid by the Company (as has been the case for Pollock, Stephen, Bradford, Cleary, and now Hummel.)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]I don’t know how you guys are going to survive here without me telling you the truth.  I reread my thread on the pay bank issue.  It is not possible to even try and help someone here on this cesspool. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]RR[/SIZE]

 

[Reed Richards]

Not sure I follow you on this one, who are we picking between? Who will replace those recalled?

Ask the BPR.  CLT and PHL think they will be able to "appoint" a new President, ala ALPA.  I am serious. RR

 

[traderjake]

we will never know.

 
what we do know is we're getting a big retro payraise because the MOU passed 

 

[Pi brat]

Ask the BPR.  CLT and PHL think they will be able to "appoint" a new President, ala ALPA.  I am serious. RR

Oh, that's comforting. After all, they do know better than us.

 

[Phoenix]

 the DOJ's action in stopping the merger with the resultant divestment of money-making assets......
 
Certainly, in this case at least..."a bird in the hand was worth two in the bush"!

 
 
Exactly!!  Leverage is proportional to the level of fear the other guy has of losing the deal. 
 
The DOJ demonstrated how to negotiate.     
 
The APA demonstrated how to negotiate.

And Hummel (allegedly) demonstrated how to be a consummate player (emphasis on consummate, evidently).  
 
Now that we are in the honeymoon, we have SLI to look forward to, yes, think consummation.  

 

[Phoenix]

Not sure I follow you on this one, who are we picking between? Who will replace those recalled?

 
 
Bradford or Hummel?  Who do you see sitting in Dallas behind a mahogany desk with a cat-that-ate-the-bird smile?  

 

[Black Swan]

Waiting to hear the sell job by Harper and the company to USAPA and APA as to why the made up West Class should be included. There is absolutely nothing in it for APA but trouble.
There is no legal standing for this to happen. This is just one more brilliant move by Doug Parker to stir up more labor discord which results in long term pilot cohesion issues. Which lead to contract issues. Have to admit, the guy is an absolute pro.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I called two posters here "dumbass" tonight.  What is wrong with me?  Surely I can come up with a more politically correct term.  I would hate to get kicked off this forum with a mere 12 days left!  RR

 
Your goal should be to get kicked off just as the ball begins to descend over Times Square.

 

[Pi brat]

 
 
Bradford or Hummel?  Who do you see sitting in Dallas behind a mahogany desk with a cat-that-ate-the-bird smile?  

No, I got that part, but they are both up for recall. Who will we get in there and what is to keep them from politicking for a DFW job? I mean it's pretty much a given that USAPA will go away so maybe somebody that would want to be in that job has just that in mind?