Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Beancounter]

You should have showed your partner the following spreadsheat on pilot pay.  Bring out a spreadsheet from 1983 to 1995.  Yes the america west pilot pay history, the pride of the industry.
 

What exactly does America West pay at that time have to do with me when back then I was playing with GI Joe figures and eating Peanut Butter sandwiches?

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

I agree with you Bean. We are hiring on the East. Why wasn't a West furloughed pilot afforded his DOH from the beginning? How many ways can people skew this thing. If it's DOH, then by God, it's DOH! Not just when it's convenient.

It's nice that you can see the hypocrisy. Be careful, I fear you are out numbered. It appears your parents raised you to have integrity and care about others. I've always believed some east pilots were like that 🙂

Bean

 

[end_of_alpa]

I agree with you Bean. We are hiring on the East. Why wasn't a West furloughed pilot afforded his DOH from the beginning? How many ways can people skew this thing. If it's DOH, then by God, it's DOH! Not just when it's convenient.

We tried that with profit sharing, sharing the love and look where that got us. I agree with Nuckles. Until a merged list AWA goes underneath East new hires for now. The new hires East have rights too.

 

[end_of_alpa]

It's nice that you can see the hypocrisy. Be careful, I fear you are out numbered. It appears your parents raised you to have integrity and care about others. I've always believed some east pilots were like that 🙂
Bean

For me with you West pilots? Not anymore. I'd just as soon see new hire pilots go above you so you West guys don't get the chance to sell them out....which you will. It's in your DNA.

 

[Portly Dorman]

What exactly does America West pay at that time have to do with me when back then I was playing with GI Joe figures and eating Peanut Butter sandwiches?
Bean

Nothing, brags about his past life, yet he has made the lowest pay thanks to the genius of the east leadership and the 'we will get you more' bunch.

 

[Beancounter]

For me with you West pilots? Not anymore. I'd just as soon see new hire pilots go above you so you West guys don't get the chance to sell them out....which you will. It's in your DNA.

 
That's why you can't be trusted to come up with a fair list.  I can just see your list:
 
1.  US east pilots
2.  US third listers (girlfriend)
3.  AA pilots
4.  US west pilots
 
Thankfully there are things called laws and arbitration.
 
Bean

 

[Beancounter]

Oh, yeah, those 1000 furloughed east pilots made sooo much more in that 1991-95 time frame when they were on the street and not recalled til 1998, that they are now entitled to steal a West pilots job.

Oh, then they were furloughed again in 2001-02 and did not get their job back til AWA bought that #### hole airline in 2005.

USAPA=SCAB

 
Hey now, these are super pilots we're talking about.  Their time on furlough at US is equal to your time as an active pilot at AWA.  That's why I have to chuckle when some of the posters on here complain about the Nic then turn around and preach DOH for the US/AWA list.  It's not that DOH can't work in a merger, but I can't think of any mergers where there was such a disparity between DOH and LOS or career expectations for that matter.
 
Bean

 

[Pi brat]

 
I agree with you Bean. We are hiring on the East. Why wasn't a West furloughed pilot afforded his DOH from the beginning? How many ways can people skew this thing. If it's DOH, then by God, it's DOH! Not just when it's convenient.

I thought it was because USAPA lost a grievance. USAPA filed a grievance over furlough out of seniority and the arbitrator said that the TA called for separate ops until the TA was complete and that meant two completely separate lists. I was surprised they reversed the seniority for west guys that came east.

 

[Pi brat]

This illeterit dipshit is in for a hard lesson. Just like the rest of you scabs.

"illeterit dipshit"
 
You just can't make this stuff up.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Hey now, these are super pilots we're talking about.  Their time on furlough at US is equal to your time as an active pilot at AWA.  That's why I have to chuckle when some of the posters on here complain about the Nic then turn around and preach DOH for the US/AWA list.  It's not that DOH can't work in a merger, but I can't think of any mergers where there was such a disparity between DOH and LOS or career expectations for that matter.
 
Bean

If nic was at AWA as long as he claims the furloughed US pilots probably made more. His numbers of furloughed are off too. Shocker.
 
I never thought I'd be looked down upon by an America West pilot.
 
You're a beancounter so how many of the gazillion dollars in damages that nic has been predicting do you think you will see?

 

[flyingskier]

Oh, yeah, those 1000 furloughed east pilots made sooo much more in that 1991-95 time frame when they were on the street and not recalled til 1998, that they are now entitled to steal a West pilots job.

Oh, then they were furloughed again in 2001-02 and did not get their job back til AWA bought that #### hole airline in 2005.

USAPA=SCAB

History lesson Nic. In 1991 US Airways had over 440 aircraft and 6600+ pilots, of which about 400 were furloughed. Almost half of those pilots were called back within six months. 283 unfortunate pilots were furloughed for close to eight years, about half of those came back in 1998/99 period. US then hired over a thousand pilots between 1999 and 9/11. The majority of the furloughs post 9/11 did not take place until late 2002 -2003.

Skier

 

[flyingskier]

Hey now, these are super pilots we're talking about.  Their time on furlough at US is equal to your time as an active pilot at AWA.  That's why I have to chuckle when some of the posters on here complain about the Nic then turn around and preach DOH for the US/AWA list.  It's not that DOH can't work in a merger, but I can't think of any mergers where there was such a disparity between DOH and LOS or career expectations for that matter.
 
Bean

That may be true if she was anywhere close to being accurate with her numbers.

She is not.

Skier

 

[EastUS1]

"illeterit dipshit"
 
You just can't make this stuff up.

 
Be gentle with the poor lad Pi, after all; what more could reasonably be expected from a proudly self-proclaimed product of "rather exclusive private educational institutions"? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

 
We are hiring on the East. Why wasn't a West furloughed pilot afforded his DOH from the beginning? How many ways can people skew this thing. If it's DOH, then by God, it's DOH! Not just when it's convenient.

 
Agreed. Imo it's necessary to consistently adhere to a principle, and never forsake it for reasons of rational contempt or personal dislike...even when dealing with the likes of self-styled (and just plain adorable), greed-soaked little "spartans". 😉

 

[Pi brat]

 
Be gentle with the poor lad Pi, after all; what more could reasonably be expected from a proudly self-proclaimed product of "rather exclusive private educational institutions"? 😉

That institution must have taught something similar to new math. New logic:
 

 

True that USAPA may attempt to fight the importation of Addington evidence but every indication is the Judge will allow it. You guys have a very different legal team moving fwd. and they seem to be focused on cleaning up the Mess $e$ham left you. It wouldn't surprise me if USAPA doesn't fight the importation.  I won't go into detail, but I'm getting the April time frame from folks who have intimate knowledge off all the moving parts to this. West Legal, East, (new) Legal, Company Legal, and the work habits of Judge Silver.  Once she starts a case, she stops everything until it's finished. Luckily, thanks to Cleary's moronic illegal job action and the accompanying Injunction, the case now has her attention. This will move very quickly after Dec. 1st and the ball will be dropped in the company's court where they will act sooner rather than later. This has gone on long enough.

 
"By "over" I mean the legal noose will be fully clamped around USAPAs neck and their feet are fully off the ground. The majority on the East will not entertain years more abuse for a handful of angry FO's. They let you drive the ship the last several years and you guys buried it in the ground. Even if under appeal I expect the company to come up with a contract that will pass 51% and do what they can to force a vote on it. The BPR is already under tremendous pressure to get a contract. When Kasher fails and Silver hangs liability on the company and they refuse to entertain DOH, the BPR will either acquiesce to the majority or be thrown out. The AFO's will be fully unable to stop the momentum towards getting OFF LOA93 ASAP when those two pieces fall into place.

That will be by this April. The first contractual vote...NIC Inclusive...will pass 85%"