Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

I'm glad you asked.
 
I spent two years on furlough after parking 727's in the Mohave Desert and Goodyear, AZ. Did I get credit for furlough time? No.
 
America West did not give me credit for more than a decade of airline experience or my 2 years of "longevity" on the sidelines.
 
Why should AC or any other former East pilot go behind a furloughed pilot of the airline which was acquired?
 
I've got bad news.
 
Not going to happen with your DOH or 10h scheme.
 
Sorry.

Did AWA pick up the company that you flew 727s for? If not, why would they give you credit for your furlough time?

 

[Claxon]

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56081-pilotaction-us-airways-american-airlines-trial-other-news-update/?p=1035712

 

[Claxon]

Daddys boy.  Never fought for anything in his life except attention.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56081-pilotaction-us-airways-american-airlines-trial-other-news-update/?p=1035712

 

[luvthe9]

Count 1-wrong again.
 
Count 2-I suggest you brush up on the go-around procedures. What don't you understand about the word must?
 
2g.1.1 Go Around Callout.
Either pilot may make a go around callout. If the go around callout is made, the PF must execute a go around.

I propose a toast to Snapper and Leonidas. " May the bridges you burn light your way....."

 

[nevergiveup]

I'm glad you asked.
 
I spent two years on furlough after parking 727's in the Mohave Desert and Goodyear, AZ. Did I get credit for furlough time? No.
 
America West did not give me credit for more than a decade of airline experience or my 2 years of "longevity" on the sidelines.
 
Why should AC or any other former East pilot go behind a furloughed pilot of the airline which was acquired?
 
I've got bad news.
 
Not going to happen with your DOH or 10h scheme.
 
Sorry.

What kind of pilot wishes to take advantage of another's misfortune?.....They work in PHX.....Integrity?....I think not.

 

[im back..!!]

How do you know if I'm JJ, Move, Fodase, Jim, Clear or anyone of those who y'all ran off or decided to get out of the sandbox? Another thing, I'll bet the Capt puts his pants on one leg at a time like everyone else. The FO can and most certainly has a right to say who rides in the jumpseat or to command a go-around for that matter.
 
Oh boy, thr American Training department is gonna have a field day with you.....(wish i could be a fly on the wall).....LOL

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Count 1-wrong again.
 
Count 2-I suggest you brush up on the go-around procedures. What don't you understand about the word must?
 
2g.1.1 Go Around Callout.
Either pilot may make a go around callout. If the go around callout is made, the PF must execute a go around.

FAR 121.535              (e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers

 

[snapthis]

What kind of pilot wishes to take advantage of another's misfortune?.....They work in PHX.....Integrity?....I think not.

The same people who formed USAPA. Point your finger East of the Mississippi.

 

[snapthis]

Once again, USAPA on their own. Seems to be a pattern.
 
“This Court has approved a 25-page amici brief to be filed jointly by five unions representing employees of both Airlines. Those unions represent the pilots of American, the flight attendants of both American and US Airways and ground employees of both American and US Airways. The Airlines encouraged USAPA to join this effort, but, so far at least, USAPA has refused."


American Airlines and US Airways oppose a separate filing by US Airways pilots


By Terry Maxon
tmaxon@dallasnews.com
10:19 am on November 5, 2013 | Permalink


American Airlines and US Airways said Tuesday they oppose a separate brief from the US Airline Pilots Association in their antitrust case.


USAPA, which represents US Airways pilots, last week asked permission from U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly to file a brief in support of the airlines’ merger and opposed to the U.S. Department of Justice lawsuit to block the merger.


In a response Tuesday, the two airlines said USAPA should join other American and US Airways unions that are jointly filing a brief in support of the merger:


“The Airlines have no objection to, and, indeed, welcome, USAPA’s participation as amicus curiae[friend of the court] if USAPA joins the collaborative effort of the other
unions.


“This Court has approved a 25-page amici brief to be filed jointly by five unions representing employees of both Airlines. Those unions represent the pilots of American, the flight attendants of both American and US Airways and ground employees of both American and US Airways. The Airlines encouraged USAPA to join this effort, but, so far at least, USAPA has refused.


“The Airlines greatly value the interests of USAPA’s members, but oppose an amicus appearance that would unduly burden the Court with separate and repetitive briefs, particularly since all other unions are willing to cooperate in a joint filing.


‘While USAPA asserts it has a ‘different perspective’ from the other unions, it has represented that its brief will focus on the ‘benefits to the public’ of an approved merger, and those benefits are the same for all unions.


“The Airlines thus respectfully oppose USAPA’s request to file a separate brief, but support USAPA’s participation in a joint brief.”


The USAPA request to brief the case remains unresolved, as does a request from plaintiffs in a private antitrust lawsuit filed in San Francisco and New York.


The airlines opposed amicus status from the private lawsuit people. The judge has given US Airways and American until noon EST Wednesday to respond to that request, either by explaining why the request should be turned down or to withdraw their opposition.
 

 

[snapthis]

FAR 121.535              (e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers

 
So, when your FO says go-around what are the company procedures.....Capt?

 

[snapthis]

 
I'm curious, what color is the sky above the planet you live on?  On my planet, the one with the blue sky, the jumpseat "belongs" to the Captain, period!
 
 
seajay

 
Yea and you and your pals live in the era of 1950's high and mighty aviation pre-CRM. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnrTq9Y-uJY
 
Would you care to compare the safety records of America West and Us Air?
 
Take the jumpseat for all I care and throw it in your bag. It's yours.

 

[Piedmont1984]

A go-around costs nothing 99% of the time. How many accidents could have been prevented with a go-around? Take it around and talk about it later. Sounds like we've got one or two who belong at Asiana. They seem to say ' If the captain says he's flying through that TRW, then what the hell'. These are the same guys who argue that the F/Os in the east are really co-captains, fourth stripe included. Does CRM mean anything? John Wayne would just whistle and shake his head.

Yes, the captain is in charge. So incorporate it in your approach briefing and make it clear that if you hear the words "'go-around" then that's what will happen.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
So, when your FO says go-around what are the company procedures.....Capt?

 
The captain has final authority, and is legally able to ignore company policy, procedure, and even FARs if, in his/her judgement, doing so would be safer than not.
 
It does not mean the captain will get a "free pass" in the aftermath of any violation of policy, procedure or FAR.  The captain might be subject to dismissal, prosecution, loss of license, etc. if he/she cannot show that the decision was in fact based on his/her better judgement.
 
If the F/O says "go around," and the captain feels that the circumstances would dictate otherwise, then there will be no go around.
There may be "hell to pay in the morning," but the captain, by federal law, is still in charge and can override any judgement of the first officer in every case.  Period.  
 
(Do you really have a pilot license?  I mean, anything beyond "Recreational Pilot"?)

 

[snapthis]

A go-around costs nothing 99% of the time. How many accidents could have been prevented with a go-around? Take it around and talk about it later. Sounds like we've got one or two who belong at Asiana. They seem to say ' If the captain says he's flying through that TRW, then what the hell'. These are the same guys who argue that the F/Os in the east are really co-captains, fourth stripe included. Does CRM mean anything? John Wayne would just whistle and shake his head.

Yes, the captain is in charge. So incorporate it in your approach briefing and make it clear that if you hear the words "'go-around" then that's what will happen.

 
"How many accidents could have been prevented with a go-around? Take it around and talk about it later."
 
"Yes, the captain is in charge. So incorporate it in your approach briefing and make it clear that if you hear the words "'go-around" then that's what will happen."
 
 Bravo, KV
+1

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

 
The captain has final authority, and is legally able to ignore company policy, procedure, and even FARs if, in his/her judgement, doing so would be safer than not.
 
It does not mean the captain will get a "free pass" in the aftermath of any violation of policy, procedure or FAR.  The captain might be subject to dismissal, prosecution, loss of license, etc. if he/she cannot show that the decision was in fact based on his/her better judgement.
 
If the F/O says "go around," and the captain feels that the circumstances would dictate otherwise, then there will be no go around.
There may be "hell to pay in the morning," but the captain, by federal law, is still in charge and can override any judgement of the first officer in every case.  Period.  
 
(Do you really have a pilot license?  I mean, anything beyond "Recreational Pilot"?)

AMEN!