Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

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Like I said, AOL scorched earth policy.
Bring it on, B-i-t-c-h!

Forensic accounting

Criminal investigations

More lawsuits

Take your pic.

 

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Are you counting on a Silver injunction to use the Nic?...... 🙂

Are you counting on a Silver injunction to use DOH?

 

[Phoenix]

Are you counting on a Silver injunction to use DOH?

You still don't get it. USAPA doesn't need an injunction to use whatever position is wants to, even if you don't like it.  
 
 
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Quote function not working for me right now,  but for Snaps comment about judge Silvers ruling......You know as well as I do that this is going to the 9th again no matter what side Silver rules in favor of.   Jumping up and down hooting victory by either side is an exercise in emotional futility.   We are still a long way out from the final result here.  
 
Personally I think the dispute will continue in one form or another until retirements take care of the problem.    It will not be solved before the APA integration I don't think, and even if it is, once the pilot group issues are diluted by the addition of 10000 APA pilots and all the newhires that are going to be required to operate under the new 117 rules, I think a lot of the issues we have been fighting over for the last 7 years are going to become moot.
 
On a side note,  is the west schedule in January as jacked up as the east?    Our jan schedules are full of page after page of 30+ hour overnights all over the system,  costa Rica, PHX,LAX,LAS etc etc.    cat crew message said it was due to current aircraft schedules as set no longer being legal for the crews that would normally go with them.    Found the part about the bus fleet seats not being legal for IRO applications anymore also interesting....everywhere it was an IRO trip now requires 2 crews and results in a 24 to 35 hour overnight for the pilots. 

 

[Phoenix]

if 

Such a troublesome word you can never escape.  🙂

 

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You still don't get it. USAPA doesn't need an injunction to use whatever position is wants to, even if you don't like it.

USAPA's days are numbered. Who cares about USAPA.

I understand a spayed cat doesn't litter. Same principle applies to a spayed union.

 

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Such a troublesome word you can never escape.  🙂

Yep, it's called......
DECERTIFICATION 🙂

 

[Claxon]

USAPA's days are numbered. Who cares about USAPA.

I understand a spayed cat doesn't litter. Same principle applies to a spayed union.

Ignore your section 29 letters for not paying dues, you will see plenty of litter shortly.

 

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Ignore your section 29 letters for not paying dues, you will see plenty of litter shortly.

Yet it was OK for Usapians to ignore their ALPA dues obligations.

"Hypocrisy is the state of falsely claiming to possess virtuous characteristics that one lacks.[1] Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches."

Wiki

 

[Pi brat]

Yet it was OK for Usapians to ignore their ALPA dues obligations.

"Hypocrisy is the state of falsely claiming to possess virtuous characteristics that one lacks.[1] Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.

Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches."

Wiki

No, it wasn't. I have heard it is a lot easier to fire someone on the west side for non-payment due to your contract, not sure if that's true.

 

[Phoenix]

Ignore your section 29 letters for not paying dues, you will see plenty of litter shortly.

Don't worry, in their mind there are many ways to get to the Nic.  Being fired is one way they promote because it is just as effective as voting 98% for it to be a nullity.

 

[Phoenix]

Yet it was OK for Usapians to ignore their ALPA dues obligations.
 

USAPAians, by definition, do not owe dues to ALPA.  In case you missed it, that was the whole point of the election.  Think of it as ALPA being voted to be a nullity.   🙂  Never mind, you don't understand the word nullity.  

 

[Keroseneuser]

Snap asked  "Hows its going in the 4th ward?"             (Silly non functioning quote application)
 
Nah,  they would not like me there.  I make too much noise with things like gunpowder and high octane gasoline.   I go for a much more rustic setting away from the crowds.   When you cannot see your neighbors house from your house that is perfect.

 

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USAPAians, by definition, do not owe dues to ALPA.  In case you missed it, that was the whole point of the election.  Think of it as ALPA being voted to be a nullity.   🙂  Never mind, you don't understand the word nullity.

I know ALPA's fault. I understand. I also understand a prediction in 2008, still holds true today.

#21 prechilill Posted 11 May 2008 - 10:20 AM
Veteran

It was a legal election, no question about that and none of us out west are arguing that it wasn't. We are just dumbfounded at the continued mistakes your pilot group makes. I think what 4/17/08 showed not just to the America West pilots but to the piloting profession as a whole was how emotional and dysfunctional you guys are in your thinking. Everything ALPA brought to you was from your own pilots, and some of these same pilots voted for and are main particpants in USAPA (based upon your own statements).
Whether UAL merges with US or not will not affect the Nicolau list nor the long term prospects of your emotional union experiment. The unobtainable promises of USAPA will take care of that by itself. Unfortunately, many of the east pilots are hedging their careers on a bet that won't pay off. Because regardless of what the union is called, it is the constituents who determine the outcome of events. Collectively, you guys are a catastrophe to yourselves.

 

[Phoenix]

I know ALPA's fault. I understand. I also understand a prediction in 2008, still holds true today.

#21 prechilill Posted 11 May 2008 - 10:20 AM
Veteran

It was a legal election, no question about that and none of us out west are arguing that it wasn't. We are just dumbfounded at the continued mistakes your pilot group makes. I think what 4/17/08 showed not just to the America West pilots but to the piloting profession as a whole was how emotional and dysfunctional you guys are in your thinking. Everything ALPA brought to you was from your own pilots, and some of these same pilots voted for and are main particpants in USAPA (based upon your own statements).
Whether UAL merges with US or not will not affect the Nicolau list nor the long term prospects of your emotional union experiment. The unobtainable promises of USAPA will take care of that by itself. Unfortunately, many of the east pilots are hedging their careers on a bet that won't pay off. Because regardless of what the union is called, it is the constituents who determine the outcome of events. Collectively, you guys are a catastrophe to yourselves.

You still don't get it.
 
It wasn't ALPA's fault.  We never sued ALAP for any damages of any kind.  Let me say it again.  It was not ALPA's fault, and accordingly we didn't sue them.  It was our fault and we amended our ways of simply letting things happen, we woke up, and started to apply the reality that is established by the majority.  Majority.  Say it slowly.  You are blaming the majority for things you don't like. And you are attempting to accuse the majority of blaming others.   Whaaaa.   The majority is quite content with what the majority is doing.  Thats why its called a majority.  
 
 
There will never be a majority that accepts the Nic.  Never.  Its just the way it is.  But don't worry, there will be a majority that accepts a fair and equitable resolution. Even Trader won't be able to refute that, though he will pretend to. 🙂