Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Freighterguynow]

The airlines saved each other under the guidance of Doug and his team. Without AWA US would be gone and without US AWA wouldn't be the world's largest airline. 🙂
We're still arguing over this..... why?
Bean

Amen!

 

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Sorry if you think i'm saying i saved US. That's not what i'm saying. The airlines saved each other under the guidance of Doug and his team. Without AWA US would be gone and without US AWA wouldn't be the world's largest airline. 🙂
We're still arguing over this..... why?
Bean

Because the mythical Snap aka "300" keeps the myths alive as to the solvency of AWA at the time of the merger. You said it...Doug and his team. Doug keeps telling you guys that ALL of us were in trouble....yes, that included AWA. Without the merger AND these eight long years of East /West battle we wouldn't now be merging with AMR.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I'm glad we are having this discussion again because if makes them look foollish.

Yea, "them" ....

 

[Piedmont1984]

Instead of retyping your thoughts on this issue, I recommend everyone just go back and repost what you said 7 years ago, or 5 years ago, or 3 years ago. Also, I think this argument was fully exhausted last year on this forum. Oh, and I believe we went over the issue on even years as well.

Kinda like annual distance learning.

Go Panthers. Xmas tree goes up today (summary judgement from wife). I will become intimately familiar with CLE, PVD and MEM in January.

'84

 

[nycbusdriver]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Holdings

 
 
Wikipedia???  Really????   That's your source????
 
Did you write the entry yourself?  Want me to go in there and rewrite it to suit my argument?  No probem.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Without AWA US wouldn't have been able to raise the money necessary to exit bankruptcy. 

 
That may, or may not, be true.  We can never know, since history took a different course.  However, we were told by Lakefield in January, 2005 that there was no money out there for USAirways.  Yet the ATSB didn't pull the plug on USAirways on January 15, 2005, like many people (inlcuding me) expected.  On January 16, when I woke up and realized I still had a job, I knew that something was transpiring.  Within a week or two, the holding company for Air Wisconsin came up with some money, and then another holding company (Frontier???) came up with a few dollars more.   It was not sufficient to exit bankruptcy, but it was a start and a definite indication that money was indeed "out there" for USAirways.   After those initial offers of money, there was an almost total blackout of news on the subject until the AWA announcement in May.
 
Reading between the lines, obviously Lakefield was doing some heavy negotiating with his money people (it was Lakefield's money people, not Parker's) and with Parker to run the combined show.  Lakefield had said repeatedly to anyone who would listen that he hated running an airline, it was not his thing, and would rather be anywhere else.  Had (God forbid) Dave Siegel or Wolf still been at the helm, I doubt Parker would have made the cut.  (Not that I think Siegel or Wolf were better than Parker.  Siegel was a disaster, and Wolf was not much better.  It's just that Lakefield's money people might have kept whatever ego-bloated CEO was running USAirways rather than Parker.)  AWA's contribution to the entire enterprise was Parker, a reasonably competent airline boss (with a staff in place) to relieve Lakefield from his misery....nothing more.  Parker was Lakefield's way out of day-to-day management of the airline.  AWA itself had not a pot to piss in (per Doug Parker), so any view that AWA "bought" USAirways is delusional nonsense.  Lakefield's money people bought both airlines and combined them.  Period.  And Parker would be the first to agree with that sentiment.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Instead of retyping your thoughts on this issue, I recommend everyone just go back and repost what you said 7 years ago, or 5 years ago, or 3 years ago. Also, I think this argument was fully exhausted last year on this forum. Oh, and I believe we went over the issue on even years as well.

Kinda like annual distance learning.

Go Panthers. Xmas tree goes up today (summary judgement from wife). I will become intimately familiar with CLE, PVD and MEM in January.

'84

 
So, then.  Are we getting paid for posting here?
 
Are the westicles getting overpaid for posting here?
 
:LOL:

 

[Piedmont1984]

So, then.  Are we getting paid for posting here?
 
Are the westicles getting overpaid for posting here?
 
:LOL:

Let's just say that one side or the other is setting aside a great deal of esCROW to be paid out later 🙂

 

[end_of_alpa]

Instead of retyping your thoughts on this issue, I recommend everyone just go back and repost what you said 7 years ago, or 5 years ago, or 3 years ago. Also, I think this argument was fully exhausted last year on this forum. Oh, and I believe we went over the issue on even years as well.
Kinda like annual distance learning.
Go Panthers. Xmas tree goes up today (summary judgement from wife). I will become intimately familiar with CLE, PVD and MEM in January.
'84

You are technically correct. But the Westicles quote and "BELIEVE" the Internet, Wikipedia and Businessweek. I keep quoting THE CEO and the 10K....the guy who was running it AND the OFFICIAL SEC 10K LEGAL DOCUMENT. For someone like Snapthis to "claim" he was in the last two trials hasn't learned very much about what is legal and what is hearsay BS. Heck, over halve the the writers and people like Cramer don't really have a clue, they just entertain. Entertainment and the law are not the same.

 

[snapthis]

 
 
Wikipedia???  Really????   That's your source????
 
Did you write the entry yourself?  Want me to go in there and rewrite it to suit my argument?  No probem.

 
I also write for USA Today.
 
America West, US Airways merger goes for a tight fit
By Dan Reed and Barbara De Lollis, USA TODAY
 
America West Airlines said Thursday it will acquire US Airways, saving the beleaguered carrier from the possibility of a bankruptcy liquidation.........

 

[end_of_alpa]

That may, or may not, be true.  We can never know, since history took a different course.  However, we were told by Lakefield in January, 2005 that there was no money out there for USAirways.  Yet the ATSB didn't pull the plug on USAirways on January 15, 2005, like many people (inlcuding me) expected.  On January 16, when I woke up and realized I still had a job, I knew that something was transpiring.  Within a week or two, the holding company for Air Wisconsin came up with some money, and then another holding company (Frontier???) came up with a few dollars more.   It was not sufficient to exit bankruptcy, but it was a start and a definite indication that money was indeed "out there" for USAirways.   After those initial offers of money, there was an almost total blackout of news on the subject until the AWA announcement in May.
 
Reading between the lines, obviously Lakefield was doing some heavy negotiating with his money people (it was Lakefield's money people, not Parker's) and with Parker to run the combined show.  Lakefield had said repeatedly to anyone who would listen that he hated running an airline, it was not his thing, and would rather be anywhere else.  Had (God forbid) Dave Siegel or Wolf still been at the helm, I doubt Parker would have made the cut.  (Not that I think Siegel or Wolf were better than Parker.  Siegel was a disaster, and Wolf was not much better.  It's just that Lakefield's money people might have kept whatever ego-bloated CEO was running USAirways rather than Parker.)  AWA's contribution to the entire enterprise was Parker, a reasonably competent airline boss (with a staff in place) to relieve Lakefield from his misery....nothing more.  Parker was Lakefield's way out of day-to-day management of the airline.  AWA itself had not a pot to piss in (per Doug Parker), so any view that AWA "bought" USAirways is delusional nonsense.  Lakefield's money people bought both airlines and combined them.  Period.  And Parker would be the first to agree with that sentiment.

As quoted MANY TIMES by Doug himself. When something is provided to Westicles that go against their position they discount it or what to have a blanket party if it's one of their own, like What they want they want to do to Mitch. It's in the email record from the latest trial.

 

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I also write for USA Today.
 
America West, US Airways merger goes for a tight fit
By Dan Reed and Barbara De Lollis, USA TODAY
 
America West Airlines said Thursday it will acquire US Airways, saving the beleaguered carrier from the possibility of a bankruptcy liquidation.........

Tell Ted and Barb to read the 10K. The only LEGAL document that matters. You and yours are dunba$$e$....in the vernacular of Res.

 

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I also write for USA Today.
 
America West, US Airways merger goes for a tight fit
By Dan Reed and Barbara De Lollis, USA TODAY
 
America West Airlines said Thursday it will acquire US Airways, saving the beleaguered carrier from the possibility of a bankruptcy liquidation.........

Question. Is the 10K wrong?

Question. Is Doug a liar?

 

[snapthis]

Maybe not... but we will not stand idly by and watch our brothers/sisters with as much as 17 years unbroken, never furloughed service thrown under the bus, Snappy! ... (coming from a 32 years of unbroken service pilot)

 
I'm not going to sit idly by and watch as pilots who brought jobs to the acquistion are replaced by pilots who were not flying at the time of the acquisitioin. That's the way the arbitrator saw it after your side made that very argument.
 
Maybe you missed it the first time. You will not get DOH.

 

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I'm not going to sit idly by and watch as pilots who brought jobs to the acquistion are replaced by pilots who were not flying at the time of the acquisitioin. That's the way the arbitrator saw it after your side made that very argument.
 
Maybe you missed it the first time. You will not get DOH.

You ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE NIC.