Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

Word out there so far (from various sources some printed some not. take it for what its worth)    
 
Looks to be current US training high ups will continue in their position for the new company.   
AA is 9 month training cycle, US is 12 month,  Word is all will go to the 9 month cycle.
Boeing fleet will integrate using AA procedures (they have the most boeings)   Airbus fleet will integrate using US procedures (they have the most airbus)
Will need to be changes in training departments to match one another, Was told that AA has more specific CK airmen duties than US.  meaning that on AA a CK airman may be only a line instructor and not also a sim guy where at US the sim instructor also is a line instructor.   That of course will only affect the folks in the training department.

 
Since they have so few Airbuses, once it was likely that the merger would take place, AA immediately started training their Airbus pilots using US Airways Airbus procedures  (this I heard directly from the mouth of an upper manager.)  All of their initial trainees have been retrained using US Airways procedures.  When it comes to the Airbus, AA and US are already virtually identical.
 
US will be losing the Flight Operations Manual, which is all policy, and will take up the equivalent AA manual (which has a different name, which I don't remember.)
 
All US "Instructor Pilots" (who are F/Os currently on the seniority list) will be quickly leaving the Training Department and going back to the line.  AA "Instructor Pilots" do not fly for AA in any capacity.  Some are retirees, but none are on the seniority list.  
 
All check rides, simulator or aircraft, and line training is done by "Check Airman" who are all current captains on the seniority list.  This is  how US does it, also.
 
US also has "Line Check Airmen" (all captains) who only conduct training and checking in the airplane.  All the simulator "Check Airmen" also function often as LIne Check Airmen.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Right....

You will answer for the rest of your career for your attempt to steal jobs from West pilots as I point out the guy in the blue lanyard.

BAZINGA AND BOOYAS to you too. Nice of me to shove your nose in that pile of $hIt you call the truth.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Right....

You will answer for the rest of your career for your attempt to steal jobs from West pilots as I point out the guy in the blue lanyard.

West + APA = man love postings getting more shrill with each passing day.

Maybe the TWA dudes will hang with you and it'll only be 2,500 against 12,500 ?

 

[snapthis]

BAZINGA AND BOOYAS to you too. Nice of me to shove your nose in that pile of #### you call the truth.

The truth is that it has been a pleasure seeing the end-of-usapa.

How does it feel to be associated with that failure?

Loser....

Guess who's smiling now.

 

[767one]

And one more thing. They need to change the name from Ivane2 to just Crazy Ivan, like the submarine maneuver. That way theory and practice coincide 🙂

Funny you should mention Crazy Ivan. I named my Russian (Belarus actually) after that very same maneuver. Not long after I got the tractor I shut it down and went in the house for 10 min. and when I came out Crazy Ivan was running and so was the starter which was so hot by then the paint was burning off. I figured the starter was toast but it actually lasted another 10 years. Belarus tractors.....crude but effective...kind of like a swift kick in the cohones!

Cheers,

Bob

 

[Reed Richards]

 
Since they have so few Airbuses, once it was likely that the merger would take place, AA immediately started training their Airbus pilots using US Airways Airbus procedures  (this I heard directly from the mouth of an upper manager.)  All of their initial trainees have been retrained using US Airways procedures.  When it comes to the Airbus, AA and US are already virtually identical.
 
US will be losing the Flight Operations Manual, which is all policy, and will take up the equivalent AA manual (which has a different name, which I don't remember.)
 
All US "Instructor Pilots" (who are F/Os currently on the seniority list) will be quickly leaving the Training Department and going back to the line.  AA "Instructor Pilots" do not fly for AA in any capacity.  Some are retirees, but none are on the seniority list.  
 
All check rides, simulator or aircraft, and line training is done by "Check Airman" who are all current captains on the seniority list.  This is  how US does it, also.
 
US also has "Line Check Airmen" (all captains) who only conduct training and checking in the airplane.  All the simulator "Check Airmen" also function often as LIne Check Airmen.

[SIZE=10.5pt]The Nine month CQT cycle was coming here anyway. Just had an AMR guy in the jump seat yesterday, he said it is a maneuvers type sim one time and a loft the next, kind of like what we had in the past. Guess with SMS they want us there for training more than once a year. Too bad about our Instructors, lots of quality guys with talent going back to the line.  Was on board with DOH (he brought it up) with restrictions, but was really concerned about senior F/Os here taking his soon to be W/B right seat.  Nice discussion all around. Just one guy, but it gives me hope.  RR[/SIZE]

 

[767one]

Good, if I decide to bid the Boeing it's back to read and do, rather than the 100+ memory items called flows. The only flow I get consistently right is my pre departure lav flow.

I agree. We always used a flow of some sort or another but I have always preferred the before start, after start and taxi checklist as the primary method of assuring compliance rather than having to memorize and do the flows in exact sequence. I always thought that the less one had to memorize the smaller the chance of a mistake. How many airlines in the world do a TAXI check list rather than a before takeoff checklist?

Cheers,

Bob

 

[767one]

Instead of retyping your thoughts on this issue, I recommend everyone just go back and repost what you said 7 years ago, or 5 years ago, or 3 years ago. Also, I think this argument was fully exhausted last year on this forum. Oh, and I believe we went over the issue on even years as well.

Kinda like annual distance learning.

Go Panthers. Xmas tree goes up today (summary judgement from wife). I will become intimately familiar with CLE, PVD and MEM in January.

'84

I think my wife might be related to your wife. Shortly after waking I got an emergency action message from the supreme commander of the homefront about X-mas decorations. At least she took mercy on me a couple of years ago and allowed me to stop putting up garlands across the front of the property (800ft) with a *&^^%wreath and (*&^^bow on every fence post. But there still has to be a tree in the dining room, family room, and living room. I feel better now! Must be the glow from the fireplace or perhaps the glow from the 2nd manhatten.

Cheers,

Bob

 

[Reed Richards]

I agree. We always used a flow of some sort or another but I have always preferred the before start, after start and taxi checklist as the primary method of assuring compliance rather than having to memorize and do the flows in exact sequence. I always thought that the less one had to memorize the smaller the chance of a mistake. How many airlines in the world do a TAXI check list rather than a before takeoff checklist?

Cheers,

Bob

"Flaps and Gas."  Unless you use the wrong runway you can pretty much explain the rest!  RR

 

[Piedmont1984]

I think my wife might be related to your wife. Shortly after waking I got an emergency action message from the supreme commander of the homefront about X-mas decorations. At least she took mercy on me a couple of years ago and allowed me to stop putting up garlands across the front of the property (800ft) with a *&^^%wreath and (*&^^bow on every fence post. But there still has to be a tree in the dining room, family room, and living room. I feel better now! Must be the glow from the fireplace or perhaps the glow from the 2nd manhatten.Cheers,Bob

When mama's happy, everyone's happy 🙂

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I was taught 'feat' would keep you out of trouble. 'Flaps, epr, airspeed, and trim.' I understand the debate about flows(I actually like them,) but it seems to me like our checklists as they are have all the high points to keep you from getting hurt already in them, without having to read and do tons of items that won't hurt you if missed, on every single leg.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Funny you should mention Crazy Ivan. I named my Russian (Belarus actually) after that very same maneuver. Not long after I got the tractor I shut it down and went in the house for 10 min. and when I came out Crazy Ivan was running and so was the starter which was so hot by then the paint was burning off. I figured the starter was toast but it actually lasted another 10 years. Belarus tractors.....crude but effective...kind of like a swift kick in the cohones!Cheers,Bob

It's 'kojonyes' in Russian, or 'Bol Berinks' (roll the r) 🙂

 

[Piedmont1984]

I was taught 'feat' would keep you out of trouble. 'Flaps, epr, airspeed, and trim.' I understand the debate about flows(I actually like them,) but it seems to me like our checklists as they are have all the high points to keep you from getting hurt already in them, without having to read and do tons of items that won't hurt you if missed, on every single leg.

And don't forget your other feat, spelled f e e t, as in mechanical feet 🙂

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

And don't forget your other feat, spelled f e e t, as in mechanical feet 🙂

If you can pull off your flows, perfectly, every time, that is no small feet🙂

 

[Phoenix]

..... How many airlines in the world do a TAXI check list rather than a before takeoff checklist?Cheers,Bob

Thank you.

Even Orville and Wilber would point out that the first flight in history was devoid of a taxi segment, but did include a checklist before take off. Who dared to presume an improvement to that?