Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[prechilill]

 A better question is how can you sue USAPA if they no longer exist?... the MOU says all prior agreements, etc. go away...  You are a sad case and has been suggested... perhaps someone who cares about you could seek professional help for your illness ....

FUKU is already being sued you moron.  We already are in court, in case you missed that minor point.  So, which community college did you attend?  😀

 

[EastUS1]

FUKU is already being sued you moron.  We already are in court, in case you missed that minor point.  So, which community college did you attend?   😀

 
Umm..which exhalted institution of "higher learning" did you ever attend, so's to brilliantly permit "you'se" to emit the elegant and erudite likes of "FUKU"?. Sheesh! To post on, or even read this thread...I should seriously study early childhood psychology....As  another suggested; you actually MAY be the very stupidest westie....but I'm still considering some of your fellow village idiots as proper contenders. Keep posting. You may yet remove all doubt. 🙂

 

[prechilill]

Put down the bottle, Mike.   Posting drunk is not how to get through life.   You've accomplished nothing and waste your existence on these boards- over 10000 posts on the two screen names that we even know about.  Any others?  Pathetic.  How many times were you kicked off here?  

 

 

[EastUS1]

Put down the bottle, Mike.   Posting drunk is not how to get through life.   You've accomplished nothing and waste your existence on these boards- over 10000 posts on the two screen names that we even know about.  Any others?  Pathetic.  How many times were you kicked off here?  
 

 That's actually your best attempt at supposed "thought"? Sigh...I may almost have to now defer to others less kindly.  As  another suggested; you actually MAY be the very stupidest westie. For me though?...I feel you're just typical of supposed "spartans", none of which evidence much in the way of any intelligence, so...I guess you get a pass from me for now. You just don't know any better/how to think/etc...and I honestly believe you're doing your very best....

 

[prechilill]

you're just pissed because FUKU is "MISSION FAIL" in every respect.  The hysteria going on around here is priceless, you ladies are coming unglued.  Call me what ever you want, I am quite satisfied with how things are shaking out for us on the west.  Your patron saint RR is a complete idiot and true to form you clowns hang on his every word because you are incapable of independent thought.  Sheep.  A bunch of stupid sheep that followed that scraggly haired FO Bradford off a cliff.  
 
 So, which community college did you "graduate" from?

 

[EastUS1]

you're just pissed because FUKU is "MISSION FAIL" in every respect.  The hysteria going on around here is priceless, you ladies are coming unglued.  Call me what ever you want, I am quite satisfied with how things are shaking out for us on the west.  Your patron saint RR is a complete idiot and true to form you clowns hang on his every word because you are incapable of independent thought.  Sheep.  A bunch of stupid sheep that followed that scraggly haired FO Bradford off a cliff.  
 
 So, which community college did you "graduate" from?

 Umm...so the earlier suggestion of professional help went unheeded? Well...it's your life. Would it at all help if I generously pretended to care about the content of this latest rant of yours? No Nyaah, Nyaah's intended. I've seen that you're a suffering individual. How much pain do you truly feel the need to inflict on yourself? Here's a small hint for living: If "Ho Ho Ho! St nic is coming to town!" didn't/hasn't worked for you since you first posted it in 2007....How much of your life do you really want to waste on mindless anger?

 

[prechilill]

A psych degree is total bull$hit.  😀
You were overpaid even on loa93.  You and PIB must be real proud of your academic achievements though!  
Can't handle engineering or physics.  You two won the lottery, thanks to AWA and Parker... two blind squirrels and a couple of nuts...

 

[EastUS1]

A psych degree is total bull$hit.   😀
You were overpaid even on loa93.  You and PIB must be real proud of your academic achievements though!  
Can't handle engineering or physics.  You two won the lottery, thanks to AWA and Parker... two blind squirrels and a couple of nuts...

 Well Dear...You've two ways to go. I'd gently suggest the notions of Joseph Campell. "Follow your Bliss", or you can maintain yourself in a sick sty filled with mental manure. Your choice. One thing you would do well to discard is the childish fantasy that the world in ANY way revolves around you, or that any people necessarily have even the slightest interest in your lfe/problems/etc, unless of those cultivated as family and friends. As anything other than your being another human on this planet....why TF would/could you ever begin to even imagine I'd much care what you think? Do you fantasize that I ever wake up wondering what Pre thinks? 🙂 Do/can you even imagine that others do? 😉
 
Umm..."Can't handle engineering or physics." Well..be kind Princess...not all of us have been checked out on mighty Beechcrafts 🙂 Turned down a full scholarship to Cornell, 2/3's to Harvard, and the USAF Academy by attempted recruitment., likewise West Point...USA Team/World Ranked individually, and Olympic Training Squad rung some loud chimes, not to mention SAT scores/etc....so you can do the educational "math" needed afterwards....If you're able. 😉 Umm..with just that...I can't EVEN ..EVER...imagine myself a mighty "spartan"..."you'se" westies are one sick and truly sorry bunch, to say the least. OK Pre,...what's YOUR story? Yeah...I got that "you" have some worthless twin Beechcraft "stationwagon"...and? ...Not everyone can pretend to be a "spartan", I suppose. 🙂
 
No matter Princess. Stay as miserable and angry as it suits you...'till you someday, actually grow up, for which ANY and ALL that care about your presence will cherish as a (by now) much unexpected and glorious moment...or NOT...Your choice.

 

[EastUS1]

 Well Dear...You've two ways to go. I'd gently suggest the notions of Joseph Campell. "Follow your Bliss", or you can maintain yourself in a sick sty filled with mental manure. Your choice. One thing you would do well to discard is the childish fantasy that the world in ANY way revolves around you, or that any people necessarily have even the slightest interest in your lfe/problems/etc, unless of those cultivated as family and friends. As anything other than your being another human on this planet....why TF would/could you ever begin to even imagine I'd much care what you think? Do you fantasize that I ever wake up wondering what Pre thinks? 🙂 Do/can you even imagine that others do? 😉
 
Umm..."Can't handle engineering or physics." Well..be kind Princess...not all of us have been checked out on mighty Beechcrafts 🙂 Turned down a full scholarship to Cornell, 2/3's to Harvard, and the USAF Academy by attempted recruitment., likewise West Point...USA Team/World Ranked individually, and Olympic Training Squad rung some loud chimes, not to mention SAT scores/etc....so you can do the educational "math" needed afterwards....If you're able. 😉 Umm..with just that...I can't EVEN ..EVER...imagine myself a mighty "spartan"..."you'se" westies are one sick and truly sorry bunch, to say the least. OK Pre,...what's YOUR story? Yeah...I got that "you" have some worthless twin Beechcraft "stationwagon"...and? ...Not everyone can pretend to be a "spartan", I suppose. 🙂
 
No matter Princess. Stay as miserable and angry as it suits you...'till you someday, actually grow up, for which ANY and ALL that care about your presence will cherish as a (by now) much unexpected and glorious moment...or NOT...Your choice.

PS: "You two won the lottery, thanks to AWA and Parker"...?That's arguably one of the very worst , and most chilidshly offered, in truly Bad Taste jokes I've ever heard in my entire life 🙂 Please tell me that you're truly not THAT stupid? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

PS: "You two won the lottery, thanks to AWA and Parker"...?That's arguably one of the very worst , and most chilidshly offered, in truly Bad Taste jokes I've ever heard in my entire life 🙂 Please tell me that you're truly not THAT stupid? 😉

 Umm..Pre?..."So, which community college did you "graduate" from" sweetie? 🙂 No worries about you being completely out of your "class" and league..afer all..mindless-completely-brain-dead-infantile-arrogance is all that matters to you, isn't it?..Aren't you a mighty AWA "spartan"? 🙂
 
Speaking of mighty AWA "spartans"...well..I'd never dare to presume on their purely fantasized "basis" for self esteem....OK...I really couldn't keep a straight face there. 🙂

 

[Pi brat]

I can certainly understand your thoughts there sir, but that's at best arguable, especially considering how many truly fine contenders needs must be considered over time. 😉 Look to merely the immediate past: "So did the "primary murder suspect" scale."...? 🙂  Seriously...any proper contest to fairly determine the Championship Title for the All-Time-Stupidest-westie, would, to be even at ALL fair, need to take into consideration the enitre past 6 years of postings, and far too much material's presented for so immediately and generously granting ANY award of THAT level = truly/actually/no-possible-contest/unarguably-stupidest-westie? A VERY serious reach on your part methinks...Just sayin'...Although I'll grant you that prechill's a decided front runner, but no matter. Consider Res's fine works, and that's not even beginning to dip into the vats of history here....I'm quite serious! While you're merely focusing on the most immediately obvious village idiots here: All must easily recall the classic: "You won't even get 200 cards!" era, just for starters. If we're to be at ALL fully fair here, in earnestly and appropriately crowning the truly stupidest westie...well...much more serious research is appropriate. Let's not forget: "You know why I hate you guys!?...I hate all of you'se!"/etc.
 
One of my personal favorites was "NiceLandingCaptain", who pronounced himself/his holy cause "an inexorable glacier of righteousness" and "hero" in his nebulous "gray jet", who claimed to have "saved hundreds of troops on the ground"...well...just prior to being forcibly outed as a pathetic, lying sacka'-chit and entirely FAKE/psychotic.."war hero"...so again sir: We must reasonably evaluate the whole west "thing" over time, prior to announcing any Awards....West "spartan" infantile insanity alone isn't easily understood without proper documentation to study. 😉

Well, you really have to grade them. I don't think Res is stupid, he's just crazy. Pre, she's just stupid.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Esteemed Community College Graduate, please read your APA hotline again.  It says exactly what I lectured you on: the APA was a named party in the DFR suit.  That is quite different than "inheriting" a DFR suit like you claimed.  Now, you are changing your story like you have been changing wives.  
You truly are ignorant, and it is quite evident by your own words. 
Fact is, you represent what is wrong with so many kids that have been raised poorly by their parents- "spoiled rotten" is what most people say.  But, I digress from the real issue, which is quite evident that the APA did not inherit a DFR lawsuit like you claim but were actually co-defendants.  Thanks for the APA hotline post, maybe you can work on reading comprehension a little.  Night school in classes for kids not going to a university (or just couldn't get in), flying checks for a few months... I know, it was tough.
Peace.

I'm really curious about you Pre. Did your Mom drop you on your head? Did you do a lot drugs in your early years? I'd really like to figure out your screwed up thought processes.
 
First of all, what is your fascination with community college? I've never attended one, I was studying at a university before I graduated from high school, but what if I had? There are lots of pilots here that did and no strike against them. Where did you study, I'd like to have them investigated.
 
Let's review, shall we? I asked you if the APA inherited the ALPA DFR. I didn't say anything about the one the were named in, as you brought up. Two different issues and the point, that went right over your head, is that the APA was not held liable.
 
The APA kept their hands clean in the TWA mess. They didn't inherit the TWA DFR liability. I think they know how to do the same here.

 

[snapthis]

James, calling you a Scab is an un-mitigated compliment compared to what the Wales family would say to you. You're fking insane James, you have a narcissistic personality disorder just like Cleary.

Don't you remember that the fake address stunt you pulled in Las Vegas blew up in your face? The FBI KNOWS you were there. And here you go again, a fake address in Seattle and a fake phone number too. Do you honestly think I'm the only one to notice this? Wonder why Silver put your letter into the record? I know why:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/videos/seeking-information-in-2001-murder-of-tom-wales

 
The letter should raise questions and should be investigated. The news shows the pattern of criminal activity and convictions in the past with this group. Judge Silver had a death threat in 2003. Her concern is justified and a letter like this: http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_285_Letter_filed_by_James_H._Anderson.pdf
is at the least an underhanded attempt to influence her decision.
 
 
Stewart death threat case
Judge Silver received a death threat in 2003. She was threatened when 64-year old prisoner Robert Stewart offered another inmate $100,000 in a secret cache of machine guns to kill Judge Silver. [3] Silver had sentenced Stewart to five years in prison on a federal weapons charges. In a recorded jailhouse conversation, Stewart, who has ties to militia groups, issued the death threat. Stewart requested that the judge's head be cut off and hung from a pole in hopes that it would spark more killings of federal agents and judges nationwide and lead to an uprising by anti-government groups. Later in 2003, Stewart was sentenced to 24 years in prison after he was convicted for soliciting the murder of a federal judge. Stewart is concurrently serving that sentence in addition to the original five year sentence that was issued by Judge Silver.[3]
 
http://judgepedia.org/Roslyn_Silver

 

[snapthis]

you're just pissed because FUKU is "MISSION FAIL" in every respect.  The hysteria going on around here is priceless, you ladies are coming unglued.  Call me what ever you want, I am quite satisfied with how things are shaking out for us on the west.  Your patron saint RR is a complete idiot and true to form you clowns hang on his every word because you are incapable of independent thought.  Sheep.  A bunch of stupid sheep that followed that scraggly haired FO Bradford off a cliff.  
 
 So, which community college did you "graduate" from?

 
American should take note of the misplaced entitlement and unfounded superiority complex which goes from top to bottom with many in the East ranks.
 
This letter was allegedly written by Stephanie Knuckels, 737 f/o in CLT whom recently married an 767 f/o. She is not happy that USAPA was trying to work out a deal so any West pilot could stay East with their AWA hire date.

Dear USAPA Grievance Committee,

Thank you so much for your time in reading my grievance. I'll try my best to make my point as quickly as possible, but there are quite a few topics within this grievance I'd like to touch on.


First, I'd like to express my disagreement of allowing the West Furlough's who have been working on the East Operation for the last two years to move ahead of the 2007 and 2008 hires by issuing them their original America West date-of-hire. I myself was hired at USAirways on February 25, 2008 in which at that time USAirways and America West were still two seperate operating certificates. It is my understanding that our operation did not have a single operating certificate until late October 2008. That was eight months after I was hired. In my opinion, this makes me an original USAirways hire and feel it extremely unfair that the Transition Agreement does not reflect that. I also feel that it is extremely unfair to move a pilot from any other operation ahead of me or any other 2007/2008 hire on a seniority list.


Second, the Transition Agreement was written with the understanding that USAirways and America West would one day become one company, one union, one operation, one contract and one seniority list. To this date, we have separate seniority lists, separate contracts and separate operations. How is it that a pilot from a completely different operation and seniority list be moved ahead of another pilot at another operation on another seniority list? I understand that a future combined seniority list will make this argument null and void, but until then, moving a West pilot in front of any East pilot is a premature move that causes the East pilot to loose positions, career advancements and money. Also, what will happen to the West pilot if he/she is awarded their original America West date-of-hire on the East Operation and USAirways fails to ever merge with America West? What if we are never a single operation? What would happen to these West Furlough's if Doug Parker decided to sell off parts of the West Operation with this American merger to appease the DOJ? This might sound absurd to anyone reading this, but in 2008/2009 during the potential USAirways/United merger, the possibility of selling off some assets was indeed discussed. In fact, USAirways undoubtedly agreed to the idea of allowing Robert 'Bob' Johnson, President of Black Entertainment Television (BET) to buy 38 United Airplanes and operate them out of Washington, DC. The DOJ even then said we would be too big if we merged with United and they are saying the same thing now. Bill Franke in Phoenix, AZ has already indicated back in August of this year that he is interested in obtaining another, ''low cost'' operation and would like to operate it out of PHX. Franke appears to be after Frontier Airlines at this time, but nothing is official yet. My point is, if for whatever reason the Transition Agreement never comes to fruition, what happens to the America West pilot if they are given their original America West date-of-hire here at USAirways/The New American and our merger with America West never occurs? Will they be allowed to keep that original America West date-of-hire, when we aren't even fully merged with America West? Will they stay here on USAirways/The New American's property senior to someone like me when they never even interviewed at USAirways at all? Why not just hire someone from Southwest and allow them to keep their original Southwest date-of-hire. That to me is absurd.


Third, I am hearing that USAPA and USAirways are currently working together to modify the Transition Agreement that is dated 2005 to allow the West Furlough's to stay on the East Operation with their original America West date-of-hire. If this is in fact true, then shouldn't the pilot group as a whole get a chance to vote on this change? Can USAPA and USAirways just change the wording of an agreement without disseminating the possible change to the pilot group? If USAPA is indeed, ''the pilot's union,'' then I'd be very disappointed in my union if they just changed the wording of the Transition Agreement without fairly explaining the change to our pilot group and honoring our opinion and voice. Isn't that what USAPA was founded on? Changing the Transition Agreement now would be USAPA and USAirways' way of protecting the West Furlough's and their inconveince of having to go back to PHX. What about the inconvenience to the 2007 and 2008 hires of loosing job positions and wages do to the West Furloughs being placed senior to us? Why aren't we protected in the Transition Agreement when we were here at USAirways since before we even became a single operating certificate with America West? And furthermore, why not take a look back at the USAirways East Furlough's that went to work on the West Operation in 2005/2006 and give them, ''back pay'' for the position and money lost becuase they were not awarded their USAirways East date-of-hire at that time? I understand that they went to the bottom of the West Seniority List due to the wording of the Transition Agreement. If we change the Transition Agreement now, to give the current West Furlough's their original America West date-of-hire, then those 2005/2006 East Furlough's that went to work on the West Operation should have been awarded senior First Officer position's instead of reserve First Officer positions in which they actually held. Shouldn't they get back pay for those lost wages in 2005/2006? And if the Transition Agreement is going to be modified to allow the West Furlough's to stay on the East Operation with their original America West date-of-hire, why not extend that same offer to the 2005/2006 East Furlough's to move to the West Operation with their original USAirways date-of-hire?


Fourth, it's my understanding that USAPA and USAirways want to help, 'soften the blow' of the inconvience of the West Furlough's that physically moved themselves and their families to the east coast and are now being forced to move back to the PHX base. Is USAPA and USAirways also going to help the hundreds of PIT pilot's who moved their families to Pennsylvaina years ago with the understanding that they'd be based out of PIT for their entire career? What about the West pilot's that moved their families to LAS and then had to move them back to PHX when LAS was closed? Is USAPA and USAirways going to help them too? No one is forcing any West employee or East employee to do anything or move their family anywhere. It's just the nature of the industry we work in. Either you move or you commute. It's that simple and it's a choice we all have to make. But one thing that you are not allowed to do is bypass hundreds of other pilot's on a seniority list just because things don't work out the way you planned and you uprooted your whole family under the ospossis that your first choice base is going to stay open for the duration of your career. The way I see it, the West Furlough's are lucky to have been given an opportunity to fly while they were on furlough when they could have been sitting on the street with no flying job at all. I agree whole-heartedly to let them fly on our East Operation and stay their entire careers if they want to. Just don't put them senior to pilots that were originally hired by USAirways prior to our two companies obtaining a Single Operating Certificate. If the West Furlough's want to stay on the East Operation's Seniority List, then give them the date-of-hire in which they came over to the East Operation from the West Operation. If they want to go back to the West Operation, then by all means, give them back their America West seniority number and date-of-hire.


Finally, I understand that USAPA wants to set a presidence for date-of-hire. Not only do I understand, but I agree. I also understand that if you look at the West Furlough's and factor in longevity then they all will enivitably be senior to the 2007/2008 hires in the event that an Integrated Seniority List is ever put in place. But, by doing it now is a premature move that could cost any, 2007/2008 hire a seniority spot on a future Integrated Seniority List. And, by doing this prematurely, it is costing the 2007/2008 hires positions and wages. For example, I am currently on reserve when mutiple West Furlough's who came to the East Operation are holding Secondary Blocks because they, in my opinion, were prematurely placed senior to me effective June, 2013. Also, I am displaced off of the 757/767 in PHL when multiple West Furlough's who came to the East Operation can now hold the 757/767 in PHL. I missed the 757/767 in PHL by one number on the March 2013 bid. I held the 757/767 PHL bid in August 2013 by one number. And, effective November 2013, I am being displaced off of the 757/767 in PHL by four numbers. How is it fair that the East and West pilot groups are still two different seniority lists and a West pilot can be placed senior to an East pilot? I don't think that the Transition Agreement was written to allow that to happen. I don't have to tell you how important a seniority number can be. And I'm sure you can appreciate why I am trying to protect mine. Even one number can make a huge difference.


In conclusion, with regards to the Transition Agreement, I would like to point out that a presidence has already been set with the way it reads now. And if any changes are to be made to the Transition Agreement, it should be voted on by the entire pilot group. In my opinion the Transition Agreement should be changed to reflect all USAirways East pilots who were on East property prior to the implementation of the Single Operating Certificate dated October, 2008. And inclusive of the 2007 and 2008 hires. For example: In 2005 when the Transition Agreement was written there were USAirways East pilots on furlough and working on the West Operation while America West was fully staffed. Between 2005 and 2007, all USAirways East Fulough's were called back to the East Operation and again, America West stayed fully staffed. Both sides were fully staffed in 2007 and USAirways East even began to hire off the street. USAPA likes to call these pilot's, 'The Third Lister's,' but I like to refer to us as the 2007/2008 hires. Either way, the 2007 and 2008 pilots were on USAirways East Property prior to October, 2008 when the Single Operating Certificate was finally obtained. That same year, both the East and West Operation had to furlough pilot's do to rising oil prices and the Age 65 Rule being implemented by the FAA. The West Furlough's were not furloughed becuase of the, 'Third Lister's,' they were furloughed due to industry wide turmoil. So, I'm asking USAPA and USAirways to not punish the East pilot's hired in 2007 and 2008, (The Third Lister's) by placing the West Furlough's senior to us. We were furloughed as well. And we moved our families across the country as well to chase flying jobs. It was hard on everyone, not just the West Furlough's. When our own USAirways East pilot's were not given their-date-of-hire when they went to work on the West Operation why give the West pilot's their date-of-hire on our East operation? If you're going to change the Transition Agreement to benefit the West pilot's that came to work on the East Operation, then protect the 2007/2008 pilots who were here first, before the Single Operating Certificate was obtained. And furthermore, USAPA and USAirways wants me to give up my seniority and my livelihood on the primus and promise that we are inevitably going to merge with America West, and I don't agree with this because it's going on 8 years and it hasn't happened yet. I feel that any West Furlough that wants to stay on the East Operation should go behind the 2007/2008 hires. I feel that they should be given a date-of-hire that started the day they started flying on the East Operation. I personally feel that the union that I pay dues to and always have paid dues to is not looking after my best interest at all. And changing the Transition Agreement to benefit a group of pilots who at the time I was hired was flying on a completely different certificate is a movement that is highly detrimental to myself and the other 2007/2008 hires. It's a movement worthy of a DFR on behalf of the those 2007/2008 hires because USAPA isn't representing our best interests what-so-ever in this case. The 2007/2008 hires are loosing positions and money to a group of pilots who did not interview at USAirways, did not get hired at USAirways and would be on the street if it was not for USAirways.


Thank-you so much for your time as I know this grievance is a bit lengthy. I ask that you please give this grivence your full focus and consideration. And know that it isn't just about me. It's about the 98 USAPA pilots that were hired in 2007 and 2008 and the protection of our seniority numbers.

 

[snapthis]

Who is James Ray?
 
Ray, James A CAL 83 dob 9/16/59, 0030P
 
or
 
http://newamericanarriving.com/news-and-updates/gallery/detail/james-ray-of-the-us-airline-pilots-association

http://www.thestreet.mobi/story/12090718/1/two-us-airways-unions-hold-back-on-advocacy-for-merger-with-american.html
 
Either way, he needed to be called out for his credibility problems as he was by one of the pilots he claims to represent.

"Mr. Ray:

Both you and our attorney, at a minimum, suffer credibility problems. You, for being caught numerous times censoring/editing courtroom citations (i.e., omitting from the Ninth Circuit "...under pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR suit once a contract is ratified");and our attorney for failing to explain to Judge Silver, when he had the fair and proper chance, to explain why he insisted para. 10h be inserted into MOU II.

It was shown also in Judge Silver's court the disparate fashion in which you allow East reps. great latitude to communicate their personal interpretations of courtroom history, yet censor West reps. when they attempt to include their own interpretations of the same courtroom history. An example of how you mete out such disparate communication policy was shown in Judge Silver's court, comparing side-by-side a joint PHL/CLT Update full of opinions, to a rather scant PHX update that included only highlighted courtroom transcripts from the same Addington case.

USAPA has always had a hidden agenda, else its Officers and BPR would not have remained silent when I asked them, numerous times, in writing, to explain to me (the last time Feb. 2013) where to find USAPA's alleged Legitimate Union Purpose. In court USAPA suddenly claimed a LUP, but did not forewarn me or others of such a purpose, even when asked prior to court. Now USAPA is trying to blame the West for not understanding USAPA's LUP. Please don't try to kid me that USAPA has no hidden agenda. If that were true, any one of USAPA's Officers or BPR could've told me back in Feb. 2013 USAPA's LUP. Actually one East rep. did reply, but he said words to the effect that USAPA's LUP is a "secret."

As for Mr. Anderson's rant, I think even you will have to concede it is an embarrassment to USAPA, as this is now the second time an East pilot has tried to impress the court. Included in his letter is the type of attitude that USAPA has taken with the West pilots.

Had a West pilot "Anderson" written such a demeaning letter about East pilots, I'm sure USAPA would have issued an update, as it has done in past with the innocent RICO USAPA members and ID-gate USAPA members. It might've taken out a full-page ad in USA Today.

USAPA sure is quick to propagate any alleged West infractions or courtroom setbacks, and downplays or simply ignores and proven East infractions or courtroom setbacks. The disparity in USAPA communications policy is obvious. And you feign wonder as to why anyone would think USAPA has a hidden agenda."