Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Graceson]

 
The letter should raise questions and should be investigated. The news shows the pattern of criminal activity and convictions in the past with this group. Judge Silver had a death threat in 2003. Her concern is justified and a letter like this: http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_285_Letter_filed_by_James_H._Anderson.pdf
is at the least an underhanded attempt to influence her decision.
 
 
Stewart death threat case
Judge Silver received a death threat in 2003. She was threatened when 64-year old prisoner Robert Stewart offered another inmate $100,000 in a secret cache of machine guns to kill Judge Silver. [3] Silver had sentenced Stewart to five years in prison on a federal weapons charges. In a recorded jailhouse conversation, Stewart, who has ties to militia groups, issued the death threat. Stewart requested that the judge's head be cut off and hung from a pole in hopes that it would spark more killings of federal agents and judges nationwide and lead to an uprising by anti-government groups. Later in 2003, Stewart was sentenced to 24 years in prison after he was convicted for soliciting the murder of a federal judge. Stewart is concurrently serving that sentence in addition to the original five year sentence that was issued by Judge Silver.[3]
 
http://judgepedia.org/Roslyn_Silver

Sorry... I just don't think this material is suitable nor proper for discussion here. Completely beneath the supposed caliber of professionals here.

 

[snapthis]

Sorry... I just don't think this material is suitable nor proper for discussion here. Completely beneath the supposed caliber of professionals here.

Could you be more specific? What makes material which is already on the web and a mouse click away on the WWW off limits?

Material which is also in legal filings. Information which was omitted in USAPA updates.

Material which has over 13,000 reads (Anderson thread) on the AWAPPA forums and 150 replies.

Material which is embarrassing to USAPA.

Could that be the reason you find it not suitable?

 

[Phoenix]

Could you be more specific? What makes material which is already on the web and a mouse click away on the WWW.....
....off limits...
....Material which has over 13,000 reads on the AWAPPA forums .....

Some of you guys are mental. You should set up a payperview website!

 

[snapthis]

Some of you guys are mental. You should set up a payperview website!

Some of you lack a moral compass. That's the reason you find yourselves making trips to various courtrooms around the country.

It seems to be a pattern.

 

[Graceson]

Could you be more specific? What makes material which is already on the web and a mouse click away on the WWW off limits?

Material which is also in legal filings. Information which was omitted in USAPA updates.

Material which has over 13,000 reads (Anderson thread) on the AWAPPA forums and 150 replies.

Material which is embarrassing to USAPA.

Could that be the reason you find it not suitable?

Two separate events laced together by the poster with not so subtle inferences of common suspicion or worse... intent.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey Snappy,
 
I noticed that you mentioned James Ray and Stephanie, but not the name of the author of the letter from the AWAPPA board. Why is that?

 

[im back..!!]

Hey Snappy,
 
I noticed that you mentioned James Ray and Stephanie, but not the name of the author of the letter from the AWAPPA board. Why is that?

Excellent question....

 

[prechilill]

I'm really curious about you Pre. Did your Mom drop you on your head? Did you do a lot drugs in your early years? I'd really like to figure out your screwed up thought processes.
 
First of all, what is your fascination with community college? I've never attended one, I was studying at a university before I graduated from high school, but what if I had? There are lots of pilots here that did and no strike against them. Where did you study, I'd like to have them investigated.
 
Let's review, shall we? I asked you if the APA inherited the ALPA DFR. I didn't say anything about the one the were named in, as you brought up. Two different issues and the point, that went right over your head, is that the APA was not held liable.
 
The APA kept their hands clean in the TWA mess. They didn't inherit the TWA DFR liability. I think they know how to do the same here.

I should have known better, shadow boxing with an uneducated idiot.  
 
You truly are lost PIB.  You reason both sides of an argument and declare yourself correct on all accounts.  
That's the east way, I suppose.  Reality, it's a commin' for you'se!   😀

 

[Pi brat]

I should have known better, shadow boxing with an uneducated idiot.  
 
You truly are lost PIB.  You reason both sides of an argument and declare yourself correct on all accounts.  
That's the east way, I suppose.  Reality, it's a commin' for you'se!   😀

For those that don't speak pre, here's the translation: "I got nothin'."

 

[luvthe9]

Put down the bottle, Mike.   Posting drunk is not how to get through life.   You've accomplished nothing and waste your existence on these boards- over 10000 posts on the two screen names that we even know about.  Any others?  Pathetic.  How many times were you kicked off here?

The West kids are down to these personal attacks seeing they have no legal footing. Nothing left but snap and chiller attacking low level.
Shows you what scum got hired out West. Nobody would hire these two.

 

[luvthe9]

Who is James Ray?
 Ray, James A CAL 83 dob 9/16/59, 0030P
 or
 http://newamericanarriving.com/news-and-updates/gallery/detail/james-ray-of-the-us-airline-pilots-associationhttp://www.thestreet.mobi/story/12090718/1/two-us-airways-unions-hold-back-on-advocacy-for-merger-with-american.html
 
Either way, he needed to be called out for his credibility problems as he was by one of the pilots he claims to represent.
"Mr. Ray:
Both you and our attorney, at a minimum, suffer credibility problems. You, for being caught numerous times censoring/editing courtroom citations (i.e., omitting from the Ninth Circuit "...under pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR suit once a contract is ratified");and our attorney for failing to explain to Judge Silver, when he had the fair and proper chance, to explain why he insisted para. 10h be inserted into MOU II.
It was shown also in Judge Silver's court the disparate fashion in which you allow East reps. great latitude to communicate their personal interpretations of courtroom history, yet censor West reps. when they attempt to include their own interpretations of the same courtroom history. An example of how you mete out such disparate communication policy was shown in Judge Silver's court, comparing side-by-side a joint PHL/CLT Update full of opinions, to a rather scant PHX update that included only highlighted courtroom transcripts from the same Addington case.
USAPA has always had a hidden agenda, else its Officers and BPR would not have remained silent when I asked them, numerous times, in writing, to explain to me (the last time Feb. 2013) where to find USAPA's alleged Legitimate Union Purpose. In court USAPA suddenly claimed a LUP, but did not forewarn me or others of such a purpose, even when asked prior to court. Now USAPA is trying to blame the West for not understanding USAPA's LUP. Please don't try to kid me that USAPA has no hidden agenda. If that were true, any one of USAPA's Officers or BPR could've told me back in Feb. 2013 USAPA's LUP. Actually one East rep. did reply, but he said words to the effect that USAPA's LUP is a "secret."
As for Mr. Anderson's rant, I think even you will have to concede it is an embarrassment to USAPA, as this is now the second time an East pilot has tried to impress the court. Included in his letter is the type of attitude that USAPA has taken with the West pilots.
Had a West pilot "Anderson" written such a demeaning letter about East pilots, I'm sure USAPA would have issued an update, as it has done in past with the innocent RICO USAPA members and ID-gate USAPA members. It might've taken out a full-page ad in USA Today.
USAPA sure is quick to propagate any alleged West infractions or courtroom setbacks, and downplays or simply ignores and proven East infractions or courtroom setbacks. The disparity in USAPA communications policy is obvious. And you feign wonder as to why anyone would think USAPA has a hidden agenda."

JJ we saw your situation on your house. You have nowhere to run. Stop the madness.

 

[Pi brat]

Excellent question....

Integrity in action.

 

[luvthe9]

Who is James Ray?
 Ray, James A CAL 83 dob 9/16/59, 0030P
 or
 http://newamericanarriving.com/news-and-updates/gallery/detail/james-ray-of-the-us-airline-pilots-associationhttp://www.thestreet.mobi/story/12090718/1/two-us-airways-unions-hold-back-on-advocacy-for-merger-with-american.html
 
Either way, he needed to be called out for his credibility problems as he was by one of the pilots he claims to represent.
"Mr. Ray:
Both you and our attorney, at a minimum, suffer credibility problems. You, for being caught numerous times censoring/editing courtroom citations (i.e., omitting from the Ninth Circuit "...under pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR suit once a contract is ratified");and our attorney for failing to explain to Judge Silver, when he had the fair and proper chance, to explain why he insisted para. 10h be inserted into MOU II.
It was shown also in Judge Silver's court the disparate fashion in which you allow East reps. great latitude to communicate their personal interpretations of courtroom history, yet censor West reps. when they attempt to include their own interpretations of the same courtroom history. An example of how you mete out such disparate communication policy was shown in Judge Silver's court, comparing side-by-side a joint PHL/CLT Update full of opinions, to a rather scant PHX update that included only highlighted courtroom transcripts from the same Addington case.
USAPA has always had a hidden agenda, else its Officers and BPR would not have remained silent when I asked them, numerous times, in writing, to explain to me (the last time Feb. 2013) where to find USAPA's alleged Legitimate Union Purpose. In court USAPA suddenly claimed a LUP, but did not forewarn me or others of such a purpose, even when asked prior to court. Now USAPA is trying to blame the West for not understanding USAPA's LUP. Please don't try to kid me that USAPA has no hidden agenda. If that were true, any one of USAPA's Officers or BPR could've told me back in Feb. 2013 USAPA's LUP. Actually one East rep. did reply, but he said words to the effect that USAPA's LUP is a "secret."
As for Mr. Anderson's rant, I think even you will have to concede it is an embarrassment to USAPA, as this is now the second time an East pilot has tried to impress the court. Included in his letter is the type of attitude that USAPA has taken with the West pilots.
Had a West pilot "Anderson" written such a demeaning letter about East pilots, I'm sure USAPA would have issued an update, as it has done in past with the innocent RICO USAPA members and ID-gate USAPA members. It might've taken out a full-page ad in USA Today.
USAPA sure is quick to propagate any alleged West infractions or courtroom setbacks, and downplays or simply ignores and proven East infractions or courtroom setbacks. The disparity in USAPA communications policy is obvious. And you feign wonder as to why anyone would think USAPA has a hidden agenda."

Ray looks to possibly be a scab. The CAL listing is definitely suspicious. Let's see you take responsibility for your HUNDREDS of scabs.Ray needs to go. His pay numbers are shady.

 

[luvthe9]

Hey Snappy,
 
I noticed that you mentioned James Ray and Stephanie, but not the name of the author of the letter from the AWAPPA board. Why is that?

JJ writes some insane fiction. He is a scream.
If you paid 650k for a house and it ended up being worth 325 you would be pissed too. Cut him some slack this holiday.

 

[Claxon]

 
The letter should raise questions and should be investigated. The news shows the pattern of criminal activity and convictions in the past with this group. Judge Silver had a death threat in 2003. Her concern is justified and a letter like this: http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_285_Letter_filed_by_James_H._Anderson.pdf
is at the least an underhanded attempt to influence her decision.
 
 
Stewart death threat case
Judge Silver received a death threat in 2003. She was threatened when 64-year old prisoner Robert Stewart offered another inmate $100,000 in a secret cache of machine guns to kill Judge Silver. [3] Silver had sentenced Stewart to five years in prison on a federal weapons charges. In a recorded jailhouse conversation, Stewart, who has ties to militia groups, issued the death threat. Stewart requested that the judge's head be cut off and hung from a pole in hopes that it would spark more killings of federal agents and judges nationwide and lead to an uprising by anti-government groups. Later in 2003, Stewart was sentenced to 24 years in prison after he was convicted for soliciting the murder of a federal judge. Stewart is concurrently serving that sentence in addition to the original five year sentence that was issued by Judge Silver.[3]
 
http://judgepedia.org/Roslyn_Silver

You have stretched the concept of analogy past its limits.