Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

If you paid 650k for a house and it ended up being worth 325 you would be pissed too.

 
Appearently it's easier to lose money than it is to lose weight.

 

[traderjake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiD-n7ewvGo

 

[Phoenix]

Some of you lack a moral compass. That's the reason you find yourselves making trips to various courtrooms around the country.
It seems to be a pattern.

I know Snappy,I know. No integrity reprobates we are. When we grow up we will give you the billions in damages that the courts won't.

 

[Claxon]

 
AGENDA ITEM 550-1 – Hiring of ALPA Pilots
BE IT RESOLVED, the UAL-MEC directs the Master Chairman to use all appropriate resources to conduct a review of previous direction from sUAL and sCAL MEC’s relating to preferential interviews/hiring of ALPA pilots who have lost jobs during the recent era of airline failures and/or consolidation; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, a report and recommended action will be provided at the next regularly scheduled MEC meeting.

Recent UAL (CAL) November 11th thru 15th meeting resolution.  Touching, is it not?

 

[Claxon]

Recent UAL (CAL) November 11th thru 15th meeting resolution.  Touching, is it not?

Another cute one.  Busy, busy bees.  Your alpa dollars at work.
 
 
Awwwwwwwwwwwww, goup hug,  cal pilot rep, could you help me with the bar of soap I dropped union brother.
 
"Floor Resolution
WHEREAS, the ALPA staff has endured the pains associated with the merging of our two beloved airlines; and
WHEREAS, the ALPA staff has been supportive, understanding, patient, tolerant, and loving in the process of facilitating the work of the pilots; and
WHEREAS, the ALPA staff has been deemed as the bestest of the bestest in ALPA,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, the UAL-MEC shows its deepest and most sincere thanks for the loving support they have granted us in the conduct of disposing of the pilot’s business.
Carried by Acclamation"

 

[Claxon]

Recent UAL (CAL) November 11th thru 15th meeting resolution.  Touching, is it not?

Flight pay loss for union ual cal alpa brothers and sisters was a very important part of the meeting.
 
AGENDA ITEM 123 – Officer Compensation
WHEREAS, the Legacy North MEC policy manual allowed for Full Time Flight Pay Loss for the MEC Officers and committee members to be paid the applicable cap for the fleet and seat held (89 hours for all categories except Airbus and 95 hours for the Airbus), and
WHEREAS, the Legacy South MEC policy manual allowed for Full Time Flight Pay Loss as follows:

For Line Holders: Flight Pay Loss for a Bid Period will be determined by using the average pay hours of pilots, who are line holders and were paid 72 or more hours, from the member’s BES. This average will be calculated each calendar quarter and the resultant value will be paid to the member each Bid Period for the subsequent calendar quarter. Paid at blended rate and adjusted upwards by percentage of Wide Body Flying in his BES.
Reserve Pilots will receive 76 hours. A member will be determined to be a reserve pilot if there is no Pilot junior to the member in his or her BES who holds the line, and
WHEREAS, the New Interim UAL Policy Manual Article VIII, Section 20, Full Time Flight Pay Loss allows for:
MEC Officers to be paid 20 days of pay at 5 hours a day for a total of 100 hours.
MEC Committee Members to be paid 19 days of pay at 5 hours per a day for a total of 95 hours, and
WHEREAS, it is the desire of the MEC to adjust the New Interim UAL Policy Manual to reflect the following allowance:
94.5 hours of pay per day for MEC Officers and other Full Time Flight Pay Loss Committee persons,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Article VIII, Section 20.D. Full Time Flight Pay Loss language be modified as outlined below:
D. The MEC authorizes Full Time Trip Loss Pilots to be paid the following:
ARTICLE II - MEC Officers
(a) 2018 days of pay at 55.25 hours per day for a monthly total of 10094.5 hours at the blended rate.
(i) Based on Current staffed category or if pay protected due to provisions in the Collective Bargaining Agreement; whichever is higher.
(ii) The blended rate shall be determined by the Company document distributed each month.
 The MEC authorizes flight pay loss for incoming MEC Officers for a transition period of up to sixty (60) days to provide leadership continuity
(i) The transition period shall be the time after the election of MEC Officers until the first day of the new term; and in no case shall be more than sixty (60) days.
(ii) Should an interim election be conducted for MEC Officers, the transition period shall be agreed to between the incoming and outgoing MEC Officer(s).

(iii)Return to work and pay after the transition period shall be subject to the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(c) The MEC authorizes flight pay loss of one (1) bid period during transition of a full-time trip loss pilot from union duty to line flying.
(i) Return to work and pay after the transition period shall be subject to the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
(2) Non MEC Officers
(a) 1918 days of pay at 55.25 hours per day for a monthly total of 9594.5 hours at the blended rate.
(i) Based on Current staffed category or if pay protected due to provisions in the Collective Bargaining Agreement; whichever is higher.
(ii) The blended rate shall be determined by the Company document distributed each month.
* * *
AGENDA ITEM 124 – UAL Policy Manual Amendment Article IX, Section 7, G
WHEREAS, the UAL-MEC represents Active Members serving as Line Check Airman and/or Evaluators, and
WHEREAS, the interim Policy Manual contains language prohibiting Line Check Airmen and/or Evaluators from serving as MEC Officers, LEC Officers, or as members of the Grievance Committee, and
WHEREAS, members serving as Line Check Airmen and/or Evaluators are currently serving as LEC Officers and committee members,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that Article IX, Sec.7.G. be amended as follows;
A. While in office, MEC Officers, LEC Officers and members of the MEC Grievance Committee will not work in the positions of Lline Ccheck Aairman or Evaluator, with the exception of Instructor Council LEC Officers. No ALPA representative will represent a pilot in a training related matter where that Representative was personally involved in said pilot’s training footprint. the Instructor, Evaluator or Line Check Airman was personally involved in said pilot's training footprint. The intent of this paragraph is to remove any conflict of interest between ALPA representatives and line pilots that they represent. (April 2012)
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AGENDA ITEM

 

[Claxon]

alpa resolution you will never see in the future. 
 
 
(sarcasm and irony)
 
Whereas the US Airways East pilots did not take sh## from anyone and kicked alpa's a## off their propety.
Whereas because of this, the alpa seniority policy was changed and improved the lives of all ual alpa pilots, families and those in the future.
Be it therefore resolved that we omit this fact in future alpa history so we do not admit our mistake, it would make it look like we are a bunch of real as###.
 
Passed unanimously

 

[snapthis]

Hey Snappy,
 
I noticed that you mentioned James Ray and Stephanie, but not the name of the author of the letter from the AWAPPA board. Why is that?

 
Hey Brat,
 
I noticed you left out Anderson.
 
I was busy writing 150 responses to the Anderson letter on the AWAPPA forum.
 
Why is that? 
 
Are you really that stupid?

 
 Here's another one of my responses, emphasis on sarcasm:
 
This is my letter to USAPA's communication chairman James Ray,
Dear "Captain" Ray,
I'm curious that you posted Judge Silvers order to all pilots not to send letters to the court, however you failed to post the actual letter. I think posting it will reassure all "east" pilots of their superiority and entitlement, and allow us "West" pilots to see ourselves for what we really are. I'm glad "Captain" Anderson was able to come out "west" while he was furloughed from his job with the highly successful "legacy" airline that was the old Usair. I personally didn't realize that when I was hired by Eastern Airlines back in 1985, that I went to work for, as "Captain" Anderson refers to, as a "minor league AAA" airline. This also explains how all of the accidents that USAIR has had over the years must be attributed to the Ex Trump and Empire guys, since the true " Sully's of Aviation" couldn't possibly make a mistake. I feel us substandard pilots, are fortunate since the "merger" we haven't dragged numerous 321 tails, run off the runway in BDL, collapse a nose gear in TPA, or discharged a weapon in the cockpit.We are very lucky in the one incident we had where one of our 321's backed up into the wing tip of your "brand new wide-body", it could have been worse, we could have injured one of he $200,000 "real airline pilots". I would also suggest that perhaps USAPA could provide the use of our attorneys to sue those involved in the numerous legal and criminal battles "Captain" Anderson had while he was furloughed during is illustrious career. With your help he should be able to recover the $5,000 he paid to the look a like who provided the DNA in his paternity suit, and also sue for libel the FBI for naming him the only suspect in the murder of a federal attorney that investigated him on those trumped up fraud charges. And yes many of us where glasses and could lose a few pounds, but you can't expect everyone to be able pass such rigorous physical and physiological test like "Captain" Anderson and CLT rep Cortney Borman.
Soon we will all be able to put this behind us, and USAPA will be able to use their skill in the arbitration with the APA, after all what type of future did they have working at a bankrupt airline.
Sincerely,
"Minor league Captain"
Americawest (almost) Airline.

 

 

[snapthis]

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[luvthe9]

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Snap posts, and posts, and posts.....
JJ is just your little Leonidas Energizer bunny.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Hey Brat,
 
I noticed you left out Anderson.
 
I was busy writing 150 responses to the Anderson letter on the AWAPPA forum.
 
Why is that? 
 
Are you really that stupid?

 
 Here's another one of my responses, emphasis on sarcasm:
 
This is my letter to USAPA's communication chairman James Ray,
Dear "Captain" Ray,
I'm curious that you posted Judge Silvers order to all pilots not to send letters to the court, however you failed to post the actual letter. I think posting it will reassure all "east" pilots of their superiority and entitlement, and allow us "West" pilots to see ourselves for what we really are. I'm glad "Captain" Anderson was able to come out "west" while he was furloughed from his job with the highly successful "legacy" airline that was the old Usair. I personally didn't realize that when I was hired by Eastern Airlines back in 1985, that I went to work for, as "Captain" Anderson refers to, as a "minor league AAA" airline. This also explains how all of the accidents that USAIR has had over the years must be attributed to the Ex Trump and Empire guys, since the true " Sully's of Aviation" couldn't possibly make a mistake. I feel us substandard pilots, are fortunate since the "merger" we haven't dragged numerous 321 tails, run off the runway in BDL, collapse a nose gear in TPA, or discharged a weapon in the cockpit.We are very lucky in the one incident we had where one of our 321's backed up into the wing tip of your "brand new wide-body", it could have been worse, we could have injured one of he $200,000 "real airline pilots". I would also suggest that perhaps USAPA could provide the use of our attorneys to sue those involved in the numerous legal and criminal battles "Captain" Anderson had while he was furloughed during is illustrious career. With your help he should be able to recover the $5,000 he paid to the look a like who provided the DNA in his paternity suit, and also sue for libel the FBI for naming him the only suspect in the murder of a federal attorney that investigated him on those trumped up fraud charges. And yes many of us where glasses and could lose a few pounds, but you can't expect everyone to be able pass such rigorous physical and physiological test like "Captain" Anderson and CLT rep Cortney Borman.
Soon we will all be able to put this behind us, and USAPA will be able to use their skill in the arbitration with the APA, after all what type of future did they have working at a bankrupt airline.
Sincerely,
"Minor league Captain"
Americawest (almost) Airline.

 

Yeah, you added Anderson's too, but no west AWAPPA board genius. Hey, there's Courtney's too. Come on, put your name out there since you like to put others. Integrity demands it.

 

[Pi brat]

 
Appearently it's easier to lose money than it is to lose weight.

Really? I expect this from certain westies but not you.

 

[snapthis]

Yeah, you added Anderson's too, but no west AWAPPA board genius. Hey, there's Courtney's too. Come on, put your name out there since you like to put others. Integrity demands it.

An USAPA supporter and integrity are mutually exclusive so I don't need any lectures from you concerning integrity.

Anderson did not have to write a letter which became part of the record and Courtney as an association rep deserves any critism he gets. It's part of the job.

I don't see you signing your name.

 

[Phoenix]

 

Your proliferation of irrelevant and nonsensical posts is amusing but sad in a way. Real pitiful how you seem to be trying anything to cheer yourself up. Why don't you tell us again how much more money you have made, since you have not been on LOA 93 wages....

It is pitiful how your happiness appears to depend heavily on your success of persuading us how miserable and depressed we are because of the terrible things happening to us (i.e. LOA 93 poverty, USAPA's demise, the prospect of being a minority in APA, our extreme integrity deficit, the abundance of scabs in our ranks, and perhaps your most desperate argument... the end of USAirways.)

We remain unconvinced of the misery you wish to persuade us of. Sorry, the MOU has us in pretty good spirits. Why doesn't the MOU give you equal cause for a little contentment?

 

[traderjake]

Really? I expect this from certain westies but not you.

 
 
I think you're taking what's posted on this forum a little too seriously.