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snapthis said:
Actually this is relevant to today.
 
I saw the same thing in court that I in Oct that I did with Bradford years ago. He's about as evasive as they come and frankly, I find it fitting that he's under threat of being recalled before APA takes the reins.
Snap. Face it. You see the Nic slipping away.
Better get on board before you lose it completely. You should have learned in grade school that cutting in line will bring nothing but trouble.
Your sleazy lawyer Marty must have been sleeping in class when they covered labor law.
 
Beancounter said:
 
Well, I won't even pretend to know what you went through.  I was playing sports and hot roding cars in the late eighties ie high school.  It wasn't until an airline pilot bought the house next to my parents that I became interested in flying.  Guess which airline he flew for?  I did read an interesting article in the last couple days (I'd post it, but don't remember location).  It talked about how the CEO's of the airlines now, example: Delta, American, etc, are very different from the CEOs of the past.  The prior CEOs were very market share driven and looked at the short term.  Today's airline leaders are more numbers driven and focused long term.  While it may not always seem like a good thing, since our salaries are numbers 🙂 , it's good for our airlines and in turn good for us.
 
Bean
Bean,
 
You are an optimist. Hope springs eternal.
 
Good luck,
 
Bob
 
luvthe9 said:
Snap. Face it. You see the Nic slipping away.
Better get on board before you lose it completely. You should have learned in grade school that cutting in line will bring nothing but trouble.
Your sleazy lawyer Marty must have been sleeping in class when they covered labor law.
Now run along, the wife is tiring of you being online too much.
 
luvthe9 said:
Bradford is an adversary you completely underestimated. You mocked him in your stupid videos. He responded by cleaning your clock.

 
Underestimated?
 
I see the East gene pool doesn't have much to offer when giving us Bradford and Courtney?
duh.gif

 
There you go...mocked again.
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snapthis said:
Underestimated?
 
I see the East gene pool doesn't have much to offer when giving us Bradford and Courtney?
duh.gif

 
There you go...mocked again.
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Hey Love9.... Snap thinks he mocked you. Imagine that Snap thinking he mocked someone, and he didn't even say "Loa 93" or "scab". :lol:
 
snapthis said:
Underestimated?
 
I see the East gene pool doesn't have much to offer when giving us Bradford and Courtney?
duh.gif

 
 
Your gene pool sent you down a trail with no U turn ability.  Your at the end of the trail now cowboy.  Blame your snake oil salesmen, not the East pilots.
 
 
Leonidas Update August 4, 2009

on 04 August 2009
.

Fellow US Airways pilots,

We just received some very good news for all US Airways pilots as the 9th Circuit has fast tracked USAPA's (futile) appeal.

Appellant's unopposed motion for expedition is granted. The opening brief is due September 25, 2009; the answering brief is due October 26, 2009; and the optional reply brief is due within 14 days after service of the answering brief.


This case shall be placed on the December 2009 calendar.

For the Court:

MOLLY C. DWYER

Clerk of the Court Lorela Bragado-Sevillena

Deputy Clerk

Ninth Circuit Rule 27-7/Advisory Note

to Rule 27 and Ninth Circuit Rule 27-10

The end is in sight as the chances of the US Supreme Court ever granting a USAPA Motion of Certiorari and hear an appeal from the 9th Circuit is infinitesimally small. Also, note that USAPA motion for an expedited appeal was unopposed by the Plaintiffs. The reason why we were not opposed to this is because it is imperative that this matter be buried once and for all. We hope to have a decision from the 9th Circuit in February or March of 2010.

It's amazing how fast our case has moved through the justice system. Exactly 11 months ago we filed our initial complaint and look where we are now! We all heard on the USAPA campaign videos that Seham's Plan B was to delay whatever DFR action was to be filed by the America West pilots over many years, just like what has occured with the TWA pilots. By the time we ever got to having our case adjudicated, the plan was to delay long enough so that the East would have just about robbed us entirely of our seniority rights emanating from Nicolau. Sure we'd have a recovery . . . in 2015! Too late then. Now, we're looking at having this entire matter settled in early 2010 and after that there will be no more excuses for East and West to move ahead - together - as labor should.

This is over folks.

One more item . . . West pilots - this is not free. Although we filed for attorney's fees, a fee award is not guaranteed. We must anticipate funding this litigation entirely on our own. The lowest paid pilot is making $75,000 +. At this point we shouldn't have to still be asking for donations, but the fact of the matter is that only about half of this pilot group have hit the $1,000 target. Leonidas has been up and running for two years this month. If every pilot had donated just $40 a month since Leonidas was created, we wouldn't be writing to you today reminding the other half to donate. After our stunning successes in court on behalf of all West pilots, the fact that we are still having to ask for money is unacceptable. Donate now.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC
Bad investment west pilots.
 
"Captain Cleary asked whether or not we (“we,” as in the West pilot group) would be
interested in voluntarily submitting to mediation to seek a seniority solution. I remained polite as
I explained how (and why) I did not see this as a realistic option, and that how I, personally,
would not be interested in participating."

 
"As for me, and every AWA pilot I know, we will take our chances in court."
 
Eric Ferguson
 
http://changeusapa.com/leonidas%20and%20Cleary.pdf
 
Claxon said:
"As for me, and every AWA pilot I know, we will take our chances in court."
 
Eric Ferguson
 
http://changeusapa.com/leonidas%20and%20Cleary.pdf
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation

provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”

DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.
 
Judge Silver
 
Claxon said:
Bad investment west pilots.
The ninth offer you scabs an obvious warning, and you obviously ignored it because you're a bunch of crazed idiots...why else would you return from your 3rd furlough to a twice bk carrier that needs to be rescued?

Your problem...

When you ratified your new JCBA, you know, the one you're working under now, you satisfied the majority concern at the 9th. You won't be so lucky this time. That is If you define "lucky" as losing a billion dollars in pay because of an ignored warning. Find a new hobby James...like hanging out at a gun range, reading crime novels, or helicopter paperwork forgery.
 
Res Judicata said:
..... you obviously ignored it because you're a bunch of crazed idiots...why else would you return from your 3rd furlough to a twice bk carrier that needs to be rescued?

Your problem...
 
 
The cruel PHX sun gettin' to ya' kid? "why else would you return from.."? Doing so positioned all such "crazed idiots" to now be part of the world's largest airline. Some "problem".  It's abundantly clear that some of "you'se"..umm.."spartans" spend precious little time with "you'se" heads ever inside this reality thing, that the rest of us refer to as the world. 😉
 
Beancounter said:
 
Exactly, look at the date 06/11/01.  This is the airline Doug Parker was handed right before 9/11 hit.  Basically he was given the reigns to a poor airline right before the entire industry imploded.  I'd say he's done a damn fine job, especially considering the age he was when put in the CEO spot.  OK, I'll put away the pomp pomps before you all roast me.
 
Bean
I have always thought of beer as a miracle drug and Doug has proved it. I read a newspaper article that said those who drank a few beers before an important test did much better than those who did not. It's a shame pilots can't do that! I guess that the exception to the testing is the breathalzer where a high score is not a good thing.
 
All the best,
 
Bob
 
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