Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[A320 Driver]

You and your boy Hummel are the sell outs. We all know it.

We've had to deal with people like you our entire careers. The malcontents. The ones that got into aviation for the money and ended up making the rest of us miserable with your ranting and BS. You aren't even good pilots. You barely hold your own because you aren't there to do a good job, just get your paycheck. You don't mind risking what we have because there is no amount of money that will ever satisfy you. You have no patience and you have no code. You get a 33% raise, a 25% increase in vacation, a 60% increase in retirement contributions and you want to recall the head of the union, run full page ads in the USA Today complaining about the management and look down your nose at those that don't agree. Par for the course. If you didn't drag the rest down with you I'd be happy just to watch you people dig your own hole and fall over in it. I might even kick a little dirt in to help the cause. You are always with us and that's a given. The ones I don't understand are those that follow you blindly over the cliff without bothering to find out the truth from the parties involved. It's pretty simple...usually just a couple of phone calls. I'm sure many of your "followers" don't even bother to go to a BPR meeting to watch the circus. Too bad.
 
Well, you are going to get your vote. We will see if there is enough wisdom left in this pilot group to see this for what it is. Two pilots feeding on the FPL teat that got canned and want to hang the one that gave them the boot. Plain and simple. Pilots can call the CLT and PHL Captain reps and they will name names and give you all the dirt your ears can stand. Or you can call the USAPA President and he will tell you that there is a disagreement going on with members of the BPR and he would appreciate your support... no name calling...no blame game...no BS stories...no fairy tales. I suppose it depends on what kind of person you respect...or don't respect. 

 

[Bill Brasky]

Then we recall the reps that started this silliness.

 

[Res Judicata]

Scab on scab violence!!! I love it!!! It's like watching two retarded monkeys fight over how to FK the football.

 

[Claxon]

Scab on scab violence!!! I love it!!! It's like watching two retarded monkeys fight over how to FK the football.

How come you get served a Shiite sandwich at the conclusion of every skirmish?
No Nic is the endgame. No Nic is the outcome Polly.

 

[Reed Richards]

Just got a $1000 donation from one of our pilots.  As to what will be done with the moneys, just stand by.  This is not our first rodeo.  Cue for Phoenix to scream about transparency and how well "Leo" does it!  RR

 

[EastUS1]

 
So who is receiving the money at votenorecall and what are they doing with it?  Are you collecting the money?  You are endorsing them.  

 
Seemingly reasonable questions to me as well. Anyone care to answer? For all that can be determined from the home page; it could be coming from some "Nigerian Prince" who desperately needs to give a fortune away for just a few bucks up front. "click here to contact us" provides an email of admin@changeusapa.com. Just who the hell exactly, is "us", and what type of "change" to usapa is intended here?

 

[Reed Richards]

 
Seemingly reasonable questions to me as well. Anyone care to answer? For all that can be determined from the home page; it could all be coming from some "Nigerian Prince" who just needs to give a fortune away for just a few bucks up front. "click here to contact us" provides an email of admin@changeusapa.com, and just who the hell exactly, is "us"?

It is indeed a "Nigerian Prince "  who follows USAPA politics and saw an opening for a scam.
 
Come on, its run by supporters of Bradford and Hummel. The moneys will be used to campaign against the recall.   RR

 

[EastUS1]

Come on, its run by supporters of Bradford and Hummel.

 
Who? Most people do have names, especially those seeking funds from others to be trusted to them...?
 
"It is indeed a "Nigerian Prince "  who follows USAPA politics and saw an opening for a scam." Until proven otherwise....well...just sayin'...
 
"The moneys will be used to campaign against the recall." What's the need for funds? Can't open and reasonable arguments be made that'd serve to convince? If Hummel's indeed getting 200k/year; why can't he pay for his own external communications, if this is so important an issue?
 
Permit me to refresh your memory on the posted questions you chose to avoid completely:  admin@changeusapa.com: Just who the hell exactly, is "us", and what type of "change" to usapa is intended here?

 

[EastUS1]

  They are self-professed players.....

 
That failed to favorably impress me as well.

 

[Reed Richards]

 
Who? Most people do have names, especially those seeking funds from others to be trusted to them...?
 
"It is indeed a "Nigerian Prince "  who follows USAPA politics and saw an opening for a scam." Until proven otherwise....well.

 
Just post your name and phone number here and I will have them give you a call 🙂 Look, don't confuse web board chatter here with actual action. There a recall going on and moneys are spent in rebuttal. It costs money to do mailings using the union provider, and other venues. Those that understand the situation know the players, and have been giving accordingly. Some folks want to be involved, but do not like their name posted on the internet, for any reason. Others don't care. I am 100% involved in this effort, although (other than already contributing) I have nothing to do with the moneys. Your donation would of course be appreciated, but not to the end of stressing you out.
 

You can go down a number of roads. Phoenix seems to believe every pilot should simply use their one vote and move on. That’s ok. But many of us choose to campaign against this ill-advised recall. Or others, unfortunately the majority of our pilots, choose to do nothing, not even vote. Or you can come here and carp to no end, like I often do, in-between taking actual action. RR

 

[EastUS1]

 
Well, you are going to get your vote. We will see if there is enough wisdom left in this pilot group to see this for what it is. Two pilots feeding on the FPL teat that got canned and want to hang the one that gave them the boot. Plain and simple. Pilots can call the CLT and PHL Captain reps and they will name names and give you all the dirt your ears can stand

 
Any detailed, public light that can be shed on this mess from both sides is much appreciated

 

[EastUS1]

 
Those that understand the situation ....

 
Good for them. How 'bout  'jess 'splainin' it to all of us unwashed masses in sufficient detail for rational voting? The whole "player" bs from either camp fails to impress. What's directly at stake for the line membership? What's the plan going forward per nic/etc, should the current regime sustain? What's the platform of the opposition/etc? I'd like Hummel gone because I do view him as a management pawn, but am concerned with the timing and much else as well.

 

[Phoenix]

Just got a $1000 donation from one of our pilots.  As to what will be done with the moneys, just stand by.  This is not our first rodeo.  Cue for Phoenix to scream about transparency and how well "Leo" does it!  RR

 
 
I object.  I whispered the question.   If I donate $500 will you tell me standby silently?  If I donate $2,000 may I have permission to whisper a question while standing by?   How much for answers? 
 
Obviously this isn't your first rodeo.  Players would never admit a lack of experience, even if they had none.  

 

[EastUS1]

 Cue for Phoenix to scream about transparency .....

 
He's not alone there. There sure-as-hell hasn't been any such thing happening under Hummel.

 

[Reed Richards]

 
  If Hummel's indeed getting 200k/year; why can't he pay for his own external communications, if this is so important an issue?
 
 

I am sure he could and would. But his friends and supporters are not going to allow that happen. Like minded individuals work to a common  goal.   Are you serious, you are suggesting he makes "enough" to pay for his own campaign?  Please tell me what your cuttoff is for "enough."  And how do you make the judgement how important the issue is?  I will tell Gary just to let you pay his bills for him using his own moneys.  You are something else, I guess I made a mistake in ever engaging you again, thought I was done with that nonsense.
 
And where did you get the 200K figure? (although he might make that with the new raise!)  Up until Feb 8, he was being paid as a group III C/O at 85 hours...paid contractually by management.   Nothing more, nothing less. RR