Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Reed Richards]

 
 
I object.  I whispered the question.   If I donate $500 will you tell me standby silently?  If I donate $2,000 may I have permission to whisper a question while standing by?   How much for answers? 
 
Obviously this isn't your first rodeo.  Players would never admit a lack of experience, even if they had none.

Are you an active pilot at this airline? A simple question.   You do not seem youself as of late, and I cannot quite understand why.  RR

 

[EastUS1]

I am sure he could and would. But his friends and supporters are not going to allow that happen. Like minded individuals work to a common  goal.   Are you serious, you are suggesting he makes "enough" to pay for his own campaign?  Please tell me what your cuttoff is for "enough."  And how do you make the judgement how important the issue is?  I will tell Gary just to let you pay his bills for him using his own moneys.  You are something else, I guess I made a mistake in ever engaging you again, thought I was done with that nonsense.
 
And where did you get the 200K figure? (although he might make that with the new raise!)  Up until Feb 8, he was being paid as a group III C/O at 85 hours...paid contractually by management.   Nothing more, nothing less. RR

 
Per that last; try reading prior to responding. " If Hummel's indeed getting 200k/year". "If" and "indeed" being the operational concerns. Per your wholesale inablility, or complete unwillingness to answer any direct questions; you're correct in now assigning the term "nonsense" to this exchange, and thanks for helping me a bit with my fence-sitting on which way to vote.

 

[EastUS1]

 A simple question. 

 
So were these, yet you skipped them entirely: What's directly at stake for the line membership? What's the plan going forward per nic/etc, should the current regime sustain?

 

[Reed Richards]

 
Per that last; try reading prior to responding. " If Hummel's indeed getting 200k/year". "If" and "indeed" being the operational concerns. Per your wholesale inablility, or complete unwillingness to answer any direct questions; you're correct in now assigning the term "nonsense" to this exchange, and thanks for helping me a bit with my fence-sitting on which way to vote.

Good for you.  Make your vote count based on nonsense.  I see you often post late at night, post after post with no other individuals responding.  Then you go back and re edit and respond to your own posts,  time after time.  Get some help dude.  I hope you don't fall off your fence.  Done with you for good this time.RR 

 

[Phoenix]

 
Good for them. How 'bout  'jess 'splainin' it to all of us unwashed masses in sufficient detail for rational voting? The whole "player" bs from either camp fails to impress. What's directly at stake for the line membership? What's the plan going forward per nic/etc, should the current regime sustain? What's the platform of the opposition/etc? I'd like Hummel gone because I do view him as a management pawn, but am concerned with the timing and much else as well.

 
 
The self professed players lowballed negotiations in order to quickly bring them to an end (their victory I admit) and are now planning to handle SLI negotiations.  I'm comfy, but perhaps they could use more money.    
 
I donated to USAPA in the early days to support getting a union that would respect the pilots and their vote.. even allow a vote once in awhile.  That's all I cared about.  I'm just a simpleton, so for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would toss out $1,000 bucks to a Nigerian Prince 😀 (Thankyou Eastus).    
 
If we are gonna throw money around it might as well be an extra buck to the van driver hustling my bag, a Starbucks for a new hire, or a coffee for a dude with a cardboard sign in the cold.   At least one doing so could see a smile of gratitude rather than a player satiated.  TMI. NSFW... 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Good for you.  Make your vote count based on nonsense.  I see you often post late at night, post after post with no other individuals responding.  Then you go back and re edit and respond to your own posts,  time after time.  Get some help dude.  I hope you don't fall off your fence.  Done with you for good this time.RR 

 
"Make your vote count based on nonsense." Offer something even slightly coherent that provides rational reasons for voting either way, or get lost. Your inability or unwillingness to do so is telling.
 
"Done with you for good this time.RR" I'm crushed, seriously...there may even be tears. 😉
 
If your smarmy, condescending BS truly epitomizes the Hummel sect...This is an easy choice to make.
 
PS: Did you entirely miss the earlier? "Any detailed, public light that can be shed on this mess from both sides is much appreciated."?

 

[Phoenix]

Good for you.  Make your vote count based on nonsense.  I see you often post late at night, post after post with no other individuals responding.  Then you go back and re edit and respond to your own posts,  time after time.  Get some help dude.  I hope you don't fall off your fence.  Done with you for good this time.RR 

 
 
Eastus you have an avid reader who has studied your posts enough to know of your edits, who claims no one ever responds to you.  Was that a response or is that a non-repsonse response... Things that make simpletons go hmmm.  :blink:  

 

[Phoenix]

 
"Make your vote count based on nonsense." Offer something even slightly coherent that provides rational reasons for voting either way, or get lost. Your inability or unwillingness to do so is telling.
 
"Done with you for good this time.RR" I'm crushed, seriously...there may even be tears. 😉
 
If your smarmy, condescending BS truly epitomizes the Hummel sect...This is an easy choice to make.

 
 
The chance to donate or the vote?  

 

[EastUS1]

 
 
The chance to donate or the vote?  

 
Well...Just got another email from some Nigerian prince promising me a fortune, so I'll properly have to look into that first, where donations are concerned. The vote?...Well...if RR's typical of the regime, that's becoming less troublesome to contemplate, but I'd sure-as-hell like to see both sides PLAINLY explain just WTF their respective agendas truly are. Does that really seem so unreasonable?...Or is it just too much to ask/expect of any "players" on either side?

 

[Reed Richards]

 
 
The self professed players lowballed negotiations in order to quickly bring them to an end (their victory I admit) and are now planning to handle SLI negotiations.  I'm comfy, but perhaps they could use more money.    
 
 

[SIZE=10.5pt]Ok, ok. I get it now. Pushing buttons. Done with you too. I just remembered you don't even have a dog in this fight. Funny how many times I think we are of like minds and you have to differ, just to differ.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The rest of us are seeing the results of reasonable and honorable men fighting a tide of anger and entitlement not based in reality. We are winning, and those on the ivory thrones of all things imaginary union won't have anything to do with real success. You seem to be just like Ciabattoni, never met a situation yet he could negotiate when a fight was available. I will do my best to avoid you here for the next two weeks. Unlike crazy East, I am sure you will shed no tears. RR[/SIZE]

 

[Claxon]

Wow!
However, we at: www.recallboththosefuckingscabs.phx just broke 500k!!!! (Happy new year horn sound)

Nice Res. New level of insanity.

 

[EastUS1]

[SIZE=10.5pt]The rest of us are seeing the results of reasonable and honorable men fighting .....[/SIZE]

 
Consider yourself now an honorary "spartan", and come back only if/when you've something/ANYthing in the way of coherent and reasonable argument(s) to advance.
 
I'd sure-as-hell like to see both sides PLAINLY explain just WTF their respective agendas truly are. Does that really seem so unreasonable?...Or is it just too much to ask/expect of any "players" on either side?

 

[Phoenix]

Are you an active pilot at this airline? A simple question.   You do not seem youself as of late, and I cannot quite understand why.  RR

 
 
Standby.  Keep the donations coming!
 
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[luvthe9]

Wow!
However, we at: www.recallboththosefuckingscabs.phx just broke 500k!!!! (Happy new year horn sound)

The kids are really overboard tonight. Lay off the juice Dude.

 

[EastUS1]

[SIZE=10.5pt].... never met a situation yet he could negotiate when a fight was available. I will do my best to avoid you here for the next two weeks. [/SIZE]

 
An interesting little bit of subconscious prose you offer there. Root elements: "...[SIZE=10.5pt]when a fight was available. I will do my best to avoid you..."[/SIZE]