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Yeah. Address it to the APA however. Without them, we wouldn't have Schitt. Everybody knows that beyond a shadow of a doubt.luvthe9 said:
Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion
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luvthe9 said:
Played.
I didn't make the bed.Res Judicata said:
People like you have cost me dearly in my career. Those that are so angry that they let that make their decisions.
So the west has autonomy. What about responsibility? What about liability?Should they post a bond against future DFR?
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"On December 04, 2013, the Board of Pilot Representatives voted 9-2 to send the membership a recall ballot for the President and Vice President. It was no small decision, and was not an action taken rashly but one that evolved over many months of intense deliberations amongst present and former board members. And while this letter will focus on the President, we support recalling the Vice President as well. Every effort to avoid such an outcome has been made by trying to convince President Hummel to change his leadership style; to actually work with the BPR, instead of around or against it; to follow the rules as they are written; to communicate to the Board and include them in decisions that affect the union and the pilots it represents. After many months of attempting a diplomatic solution and in light of the significant events that lie ahead, the BPR has collectively come to the conclusion that an immediate change of leadership is in the best interest of all US Airways Pilots.
Over the next twenty-one days, we -- the six current BPR Members from Charlotte and Philadelphia and five previous Reps who all served under Gary Hummel -- will be penning a series of letters titled Did you know? These letters will shed light on many of the significant grievances against the current leadership and why we think it is in your best interest to support the recall. Whats particularly noteworthy here is that out of 14 east BPR Representatives (former and active) who have served under Gary Hummels leadership, 11 of them are joining together to urge your support. These 11 Representatives havent always agreed on everything, so the fact that they are all calling for Hummels removal from office is significant, and is something we trust you will take very seriously.
As an introduction to our series of letters, here are some things to consider:
Hummel has lost the majority of the BPRs support because he has been running the union without their input, conducting meetings and negotiations without their knowledge, being less than truthful, breaking internal union rules and repeatedly disregarding their proper call for Special Meetings, a key component of providing you representation on time-sensitive issues. In summary, he has been demonstrating the same secretive behavior and non-inclusiveness that destroyed so much when ALPA was on property. By starting this recall process, your undersigned Domicile Representatives and most of those from other bases are indicating that a change of leadership is in our best interests. These are the pilots who have been trying to work closely with Gary since he took office; that they have lost confidence in our president should be a stern wake up call to all of us.
Hummel has a tight control on the information you are receiving. Soon after the recall was set in motion, Hummel shut the flow of information down by mandating that we would not be allowed to discuss it in our regular Domicile Updates. Why? Unlike elections, there is no Department of Labor rule prohibiting union representatives from communicating to their members about a recall, and there are no internal USAPA rules disallowing it. Nonetheless, we have been muzzled by President Hummel on the issue of his own recall. However, as if to prove our point, theres a double standard at work here; despite assurances from the Communications Committee that the Officers would not go on a communication spree of their own, singing Garys praises and thereby tampering with the outcome of the recall, USAPA members received a mailing which did just that. That mailing was created by a public relations firm, was mailed to you without the Communications Committee Chairmans knowledge, and it was paid for with YOUR dues money. Again, as if to prove our point, Gary Hummel is acting outside of the rules to serve his own interests. The UOM clearly states: The Communications Committee shall supervise all communication with the membership, and: The Communications Committee Chairman shall be kept apprised and will oversee the production schedule for all communications projects. Neither of these provisions were complied with concerning the propaganda you received from the Officers via U.S. Mail. Meanwhile, you should note that anything you receive from your elected Representatives concerning the recall, including this email, is being funded independently. This recall is that important.
If you were unaware that USAPA employs a PR firm we are not surprised. The firm was hired by the Officers who never sought the required BPR approval and reported to the board it was hired ostensibly to help strategize and implement a PR plan to leverage our position during MOU negotiations. That never happened. Instead, the firm has been utilized as publicist for the President and Officers.
Hummels health is a serious detriment to our cause. While no one wishes Gary anything but a complete recovery from either of his recent heart surgeries, his recovery need not be at the expense of thousands of dues-paying pilots. His sporadic absences due to ongoing health challenges have already caused the Association harm at several junctures, including much embarrassment before Judge Silver in Phoenix, and it seems intuitive that continuing down this road would be the height of bad judgment. Ironically, leaving office is almost assuredly the best thing Gary can do for his health; lets help him make this much-needed, life-affirming decision, and in the process get on with operating a union that places the representation of the Membership as its highest priority.
Our battle is just beginning! Dont let the whirlwind progress of the past 18 months distract you. The merger will undoubtedly bring many positive changes to our previously stalled careers, but please understand that this progress is largely a byproduct of events that were going to occur anyway. What we attained during the process wasnt due to any one person, and certainly not Gary Hummel himself, who placed the BPR at a strategic disadvantage seemingly on purpose - on numerous occasions and acted inappropriately by directly involving himself in the negotiating process that led to our MOU. He was not trained to do so, and its this sort of undisciplined union work that has and will continue to cost us dearly. As recently as last month, the BPR narrowly prevented Gary from unilaterally filing an Amicus brief with the bankruptcy court in NY that would have been very damaging to us during upcoming seniority negotiations.
Better now than later. Dont be fooled into thinking that recalling our leadership now is bad timing; in fact, the timing is perfect. While some suggest that USAPA will be gone in just a few months, our attorneys and experts say otherwise and expect our existence to continue for 18 to 24 more months or even longer. This is a significant amount of time and much more needs to be accomplished, including the JCBA and the seniority integration. Others believe that a change in administration will create disruption and uncertainty. Again, we believe this is unfounded and from the line pilots point of view, any transition will be seamless and will go virtually unnoticed. Furthermore, President Hummels current term will end April 2015 with nominations occurring in a little over a year from now. This will in all likelihood coincide with the middle of the JCBA or seniority integration with APA. President Hummels medical condition is such that he will likely still be disabled during the nomination period and will thus be unable to run for reelection. With this in mind, we believe NOW is the time to put new leadership in place and not in the middle of JCBA or a seniority arbitration.
We absolutely should not risk continuing down this road with the current leadership. Most of the BPR is ready for a change. They have grown tired of being ignored and kept in the dark. Board members are regularly surprised by events and informed by line pilots of the activities of the Officers. This union was intended to be run transparently, and there can be no question that its not being run that way. The vast majority of US Airways pilots should have no illusions about what happens when their union leaders take matters into their own hands and operate secretively. Bad things happen, and weve lived that nightmare. Do the responsible thing and vote to remove Gary Hummel from office. Lets be part of the solution and make way for a strong pilot advocate whos focused on running this union as it was originally intended to operate."
Over the next twenty-one days, we -- the six current BPR Members from Charlotte and Philadelphia and five previous Reps who all served under Gary Hummel -- will be penning a series of letters titled Did you know? These letters will shed light on many of the significant grievances against the current leadership and why we think it is in your best interest to support the recall. Whats particularly noteworthy here is that out of 14 east BPR Representatives (former and active) who have served under Gary Hummels leadership, 11 of them are joining together to urge your support. These 11 Representatives havent always agreed on everything, so the fact that they are all calling for Hummels removal from office is significant, and is something we trust you will take very seriously.
As an introduction to our series of letters, here are some things to consider:
Hummel has lost the majority of the BPRs support because he has been running the union without their input, conducting meetings and negotiations without their knowledge, being less than truthful, breaking internal union rules and repeatedly disregarding their proper call for Special Meetings, a key component of providing you representation on time-sensitive issues. In summary, he has been demonstrating the same secretive behavior and non-inclusiveness that destroyed so much when ALPA was on property. By starting this recall process, your undersigned Domicile Representatives and most of those from other bases are indicating that a change of leadership is in our best interests. These are the pilots who have been trying to work closely with Gary since he took office; that they have lost confidence in our president should be a stern wake up call to all of us.
Hummel has a tight control on the information you are receiving. Soon after the recall was set in motion, Hummel shut the flow of information down by mandating that we would not be allowed to discuss it in our regular Domicile Updates. Why? Unlike elections, there is no Department of Labor rule prohibiting union representatives from communicating to their members about a recall, and there are no internal USAPA rules disallowing it. Nonetheless, we have been muzzled by President Hummel on the issue of his own recall. However, as if to prove our point, theres a double standard at work here; despite assurances from the Communications Committee that the Officers would not go on a communication spree of their own, singing Garys praises and thereby tampering with the outcome of the recall, USAPA members received a mailing which did just that. That mailing was created by a public relations firm, was mailed to you without the Communications Committee Chairmans knowledge, and it was paid for with YOUR dues money. Again, as if to prove our point, Gary Hummel is acting outside of the rules to serve his own interests. The UOM clearly states: The Communications Committee shall supervise all communication with the membership, and: The Communications Committee Chairman shall be kept apprised and will oversee the production schedule for all communications projects. Neither of these provisions were complied with concerning the propaganda you received from the Officers via U.S. Mail. Meanwhile, you should note that anything you receive from your elected Representatives concerning the recall, including this email, is being funded independently. This recall is that important.
If you were unaware that USAPA employs a PR firm we are not surprised. The firm was hired by the Officers who never sought the required BPR approval and reported to the board it was hired ostensibly to help strategize and implement a PR plan to leverage our position during MOU negotiations. That never happened. Instead, the firm has been utilized as publicist for the President and Officers.
Hummels health is a serious detriment to our cause. While no one wishes Gary anything but a complete recovery from either of his recent heart surgeries, his recovery need not be at the expense of thousands of dues-paying pilots. His sporadic absences due to ongoing health challenges have already caused the Association harm at several junctures, including much embarrassment before Judge Silver in Phoenix, and it seems intuitive that continuing down this road would be the height of bad judgment. Ironically, leaving office is almost assuredly the best thing Gary can do for his health; lets help him make this much-needed, life-affirming decision, and in the process get on with operating a union that places the representation of the Membership as its highest priority.
Our battle is just beginning! Dont let the whirlwind progress of the past 18 months distract you. The merger will undoubtedly bring many positive changes to our previously stalled careers, but please understand that this progress is largely a byproduct of events that were going to occur anyway. What we attained during the process wasnt due to any one person, and certainly not Gary Hummel himself, who placed the BPR at a strategic disadvantage seemingly on purpose - on numerous occasions and acted inappropriately by directly involving himself in the negotiating process that led to our MOU. He was not trained to do so, and its this sort of undisciplined union work that has and will continue to cost us dearly. As recently as last month, the BPR narrowly prevented Gary from unilaterally filing an Amicus brief with the bankruptcy court in NY that would have been very damaging to us during upcoming seniority negotiations.
Better now than later. Dont be fooled into thinking that recalling our leadership now is bad timing; in fact, the timing is perfect. While some suggest that USAPA will be gone in just a few months, our attorneys and experts say otherwise and expect our existence to continue for 18 to 24 more months or even longer. This is a significant amount of time and much more needs to be accomplished, including the JCBA and the seniority integration. Others believe that a change in administration will create disruption and uncertainty. Again, we believe this is unfounded and from the line pilots point of view, any transition will be seamless and will go virtually unnoticed. Furthermore, President Hummels current term will end April 2015 with nominations occurring in a little over a year from now. This will in all likelihood coincide with the middle of the JCBA or seniority integration with APA. President Hummels medical condition is such that he will likely still be disabled during the nomination period and will thus be unable to run for reelection. With this in mind, we believe NOW is the time to put new leadership in place and not in the middle of JCBA or a seniority arbitration.
We absolutely should not risk continuing down this road with the current leadership. Most of the BPR is ready for a change. They have grown tired of being ignored and kept in the dark. Board members are regularly surprised by events and informed by line pilots of the activities of the Officers. This union was intended to be run transparently, and there can be no question that its not being run that way. The vast majority of US Airways pilots should have no illusions about what happens when their union leaders take matters into their own hands and operate secretively. Bad things happen, and weve lived that nightmare. Do the responsible thing and vote to remove Gary Hummel from office. Lets be part of the solution and make way for a strong pilot advocate whos focused on running this union as it was originally intended to operate."
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Did you vote for USAPA?Pi brat said:
Yep. You made your bed.
Don't like Anger? Don't steal from my family assh ole.
It's jungle rules. The way YOU wanted it....when you thought it would benefit you. Now it's blowing up in your face...again....again....again.
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2 more years - better pace yourself.Res Judicata said:
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Found on the internet from the Compass Correction group.............Mark and Gary
Sorry, I’m definitely in the pro-recall camp. If Gary is in compliance with the letter and spirit of the Constitution and Bylaws, I am Col. Lindbergh. Where is his medical certificate?
More to the point, where is our 14% contribution for all of 2013? Where is our 100% pay and credit for deadhead, etc.? In short, when are we equals with the Native Americans?
Why is Gary flouting every rule to hang onto power? Mark....why are you abetting him in that shameful effort? When Gary has to bypass the Communications Committee to get his propaganda out, he is gone. I would be pleased to fly IRO for Gary Hummel....how about next week, Gary? Are you ready to fly, since you are in compliance? Or, are you still contending that as President, you are above the rules for all your pilots? USAPA was called, “The Pilot’s Union”.....where did that go? Gary, name one other pilot, (which is what a union officer is, in USAPA) – who could do what you are now doing? Everyone else gets one deal, you another? Why?
I hope the very sub-standard deal that this MOU is, doesn’t further punish your pilots. If it all works out, it will not be through your efforts Gary. Remember, I was seated next to you on your porch, while you were chasing Scott Kirby on the phone. Your assertion that this merger could have gone forward, without the pilots of USAirways was then and remains now, absurd. It was the excuse you proffered, as a substitute for hard negotiations, guts and patience. The results of going ugly, early are only now becoming obvious to the average pilot. If this mess is to be salvaged, it won’t be under your philosophy of giving in early and often.
Love to know what happened to the guy I supported; he is now just another self serving, power grubbing worm.
Merry Christmas,
Sorry, I’m definitely in the pro-recall camp. If Gary is in compliance with the letter and spirit of the Constitution and Bylaws, I am Col. Lindbergh. Where is his medical certificate?
More to the point, where is our 14% contribution for all of 2013? Where is our 100% pay and credit for deadhead, etc.? In short, when are we equals with the Native Americans?
Why is Gary flouting every rule to hang onto power? Mark....why are you abetting him in that shameful effort? When Gary has to bypass the Communications Committee to get his propaganda out, he is gone. I would be pleased to fly IRO for Gary Hummel....how about next week, Gary? Are you ready to fly, since you are in compliance? Or, are you still contending that as President, you are above the rules for all your pilots? USAPA was called, “The Pilot’s Union”.....where did that go? Gary, name one other pilot, (which is what a union officer is, in USAPA) – who could do what you are now doing? Everyone else gets one deal, you another? Why?
I hope the very sub-standard deal that this MOU is, doesn’t further punish your pilots. If it all works out, it will not be through your efforts Gary. Remember, I was seated next to you on your porch, while you were chasing Scott Kirby on the phone. Your assertion that this merger could have gone forward, without the pilots of USAirways was then and remains now, absurd. It was the excuse you proffered, as a substitute for hard negotiations, guts and patience. The results of going ugly, early are only now becoming obvious to the average pilot. If this mess is to be salvaged, it won’t be under your philosophy of giving in early and often.
Love to know what happened to the guy I supported; he is now just another self serving, power grubbing worm.
Merry Christmas,
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The whole FAA Medical thing is a red herring. I don't even care whether he has one or not. I DO care about a bunch of idiotic, power-hungry losers that have spotted what they think is a technicality they can use to further their control. I suppose I can see why Gary might be withholding some info from these guys, if all they want to do is twist it into something that they can use against him. I have NO DOUBT that if the union had continued on the past path of intransigence that the company would have just worked around it, and we likely would have remained on LOA 93 throughout the merger process. Go ahead, shake your head and say that it couldn't have happened. You know that it seriously could have, if the membership hadn't elected the level-headed leadership it has now.luvthe9 said:
There is NO WAY I would EVER vote against Bradford, either. Here's a guy that COULD have been President, having a large base of support, but chose to back Captain Hummel instead. Very telling. Hummel must be a person of strong character and integrity to garner that kind of support. You wouldn't ever see any of those other union control freaks do anything unless it served them personally.
This is NOT the time to be experimenting with this sort of thing. It's like playing russian roulette by filling all the chambers and hoping the gun jams. Yes, it's THAT STUPID.
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Agreed, that's my point.....these idiots are going to give the store away...again...by fighting with each other.autofixer said:
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Bill,Bill Brasky said:
I see your of the name calling variety like 84 & RR.
How bout refuting the disagreeing points of letter you replied to from Free W...y that narrowly got your beloved GH voted in.
I spoke personally with SB and he verified his commitment to GH.
I too am troubled that SB may get recalled considering ALL his past accomplishments.
That said...he left me no choice but to vote for his recall. Done !
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Lost me there. I have no idea what you are talking about. What has you so worked up over the recall? Give facts, not rumors.fatherabraham said:
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Bill,Bill Brasky said:
Not " worked up " or any other negative adjective your kind attempt to attribute to folk of differing opinions.
I think I have made my pov quite clear & transparent over last 24 hours.
Sorry if unable to grasp intent of my thoughts.
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