OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

You need professional assistance sir. Your fellow west pilots or the company should intervene. You strawberry colored glasses refuse to accept the courts rulings. No one can steal something you never had, seniority.

So why hasn't USAPA moved on? You're still on LOA93 and the only list the company has is the Nic.

What are you waiting for? You've always been free to negotiate, right?

 

[Move2CLT]

Excepting any damage from the potential AMR transaction, my career expectations are the same, exactly, as they were in 2005. I will upgrade to a 330 left seat about 2 years before retirement. Amazing. Greeter

Prior to our merger, you had no career expectations. You were wondering where the money would come from to buy Christmas presents for the kids.

And if you've only got a 2 year spread between upgrade and retirement, I'd start planning on the retirement happening first.

 

[luvthe9]

Prior to our merger, you had no career expectations. You were wondering where the money would come from to buy Christmas presents for the kids.

And if you've only got a 2 year spread between upgrade and retirement, I'd start planning on the retirement happening first.

At least he will be on the 330. You, well go clean up the potty mouth and load the imaginary moving van. Again

 

[A320 Driver]

What are you waiting for? You've always been free to negotiate, right?

With who? The company doesn't want a contract. That's been proven time and time again.

Driver...

 

[john john]

To quote Mike & Randy: The courts have NEVER overturned an arbitration.

ALL of IAM USAirways Airbus heavy Maintenance work being done in-house

 

[prechilill]

With who? The company doesn't want a contract. That's been proven time and time again.

Driver...

Where's my contract?
Why are we parked?
Why is there an injunction against my union?
What does the word "binding" mean?

 

[Ames]

If you ALWAYS thought USAirways was a dirt bag operation, then you must be barely out of your teenage years. ALWAYS is a long time for me and others. USAirways was once Piedmont and PSA, not just USAir or Alleghany. Were the former dirt bag operations? Were their employees worthless? What east coast population are you referring to that thought of Piedmont the way you obviously do?

Stop making sh#t up.

I grew up on the east coast. For as long as US Airways existed, as US Air or otherwise, it was considered a crappy airline by those most exposed to it. Not making anything up.

 

[700UW]

ALL of IAM USAirways Airbus heavy Maintenance work being done in-house

The court did not overturn the arbitration award, what are you talking about?

The IAM took US to Federal Court when they outsourced the work, US won in the first round, upon appeal the company won but the court ruled it to arbitration and the IAM won the arbitration, no court overturned the award.

 

[cleardirect]

With who? The company doesn't want a contract. That's been proven time and time again.

Driver...

The company never wants a contract. It is the unions job to leverage the company into a contract.

The company is just using usapa's DOH blindness to keep us all on poor contracts.

 

[Ames]

Wow!..."certain oblivion"? That sounds scary indeed! Would you mind telling us all exactly what YOU personally did to nobly "save"...well...anyone?

Yep. Certain oblivion. Too bad you're too stupid to realize it. My company saved you, not me. I would have rather seen US Airways go away. Personally, however, my sacrifice has been a stagnated career thanks to your end run around a legal process. The actions of the east are clearly despicable, no doubt about it.

 

[Ames]

Fair enough. Kindly just explain the following to me kid. Defend it if you can.



I rest my case.

Grow up.

After you, oh wise one. Accept your agreements and the binding arbitration that you agreed to. That's what grown ups do. No? I didn't think so.

 

[Ames]

With who? The company doesn't want a contract. That's been proven time and time again.

Driver...

If that's the case then why do the eastholes always blame the west for obstructing the process?

 

[john john]

The court did not overturn the arbitration award, what are you talking about?

The IAM took US to Federal Court when they outsourced the work, US won in the first round, upon appeal the company won but the court ruled it to arbitration and the IAM won the arbitration, no court overturned the award.

What happen to the full award and how did IAM and the company settle the airbus heavy maintenance work from all to half
Bottom line the full arbitration award does not exist in the current contract and the award never went into affect. And the IAM won a 401k-match award that was negotiated away as well. And the IAM won an attendance award for calling in sick and being discipline that no longer exist

 

[Claxon]

Calm down ####. That's not me.

But hey, if it makes you fell better being on LOA93...

What a psycho. Nobody must enjoy flying with you trans states entitled.

 

[700UW]

First of all your not an IAM member and dont have a clue what transpired.

First of all the IAM CBA where all heavy maintenance was abrogated in court, but the judge held the ruling in abeyance, meaning if the membership ratfied the final offer the ruling wouldnt take effect. The final offer wasnt a negotiated and agreed upon tentative agreement it was a final offer.

In the final offer the company was free to outsource anything they wanted as long as they kept CLT and PIT heavy mtc open, the company outsourced the 757s, 767s and A330, the 737s and airbus narrowbodies were still done in-house.

Upon the merger the IAM negotiated the 50% billable hours must be done in-house. The 401k arbitration was won, and the match was negotiated away in the transition agreement in lieu of getting the IAMNPF which is a defined benefit plan that the company paid for and not the employee. As you know our DBP was terminated in chapter 11 which forced the membership to fund their own retirement.

Once again the attendance control arbitration was not negotiated away, our cba was abrogated, the ruling was held in abeyance, the company gave us a final offer which the judge made us vote on, the letter was removed in the final offer, the final offer was not a negotiated and agreed upon offer, it was a final offer.

Once again, learn the facts, I was on the Negotiating Committee, were you?

Your not even an IAM Member, so why do you post things that didnt occur?

What I just posted are the facts, so dont let them get in your way.

And you are comparing and confusing an arbitration over contract language between a company and a union, not an internal union arbitration which was between ALPA at HP and ALPA at US.