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I grew up on the east coast. For as long as US Airways existed, as US Air or otherwise, it was considered a crappy airline by those most exposed to it. Not making anything up.
Not much competition for them where they were back in the 70s and 80s. Piedmont had to compete. Everything I ever heard about AWA was bad. Mostly luggage problems. Once US Air had to compete, well just ask Seth. He was handed a bull that had been fixed! Their motto was not the customer is always right, it was the agent is always right! Still seems that way now when compared to DL.
 
That last pm was brilliant. Go ahead and file your lawsuit so we can get you out there and bring all the poo you have flung for years out in the light. Pathetic.

What is it with you? Do you have several people in your head or just can't stand to be alone? I asked before are you an elected rep? When you say "we" who do you mean? Who do you speak for except yourself?
 
What is it with you? Do you have several people in your head or just can't stand to be alone? I asked before are you an elected rep? When you say "we" who do you mean? Who do you speak for except yourself?

Are you the poster that informs us of the "entire airline industry" opinion that hates USAPA?

Or are you just the poster that never called out the one who speaks for the entire airline industry? :lol:
 
The MOU is dead. Your new contract just came out boys. Merger announcement next followed closely by USAPA's demise.

Good riddance.


From APA President Keith Wilson Email 11/5/2012
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Fellow pilots,
This past weekend, your Negotiating Committee provided a briefing summary to your APA Board of Directors on where things currently sit in negotiations. Portions of that summary are currently in the public domain, so to prevent any misinformation, we are providing a more detailed summary for your review. While this briefing sheet is not comprehensive, it should provide a feel for the progress that has been made to date. As you can see, the main obstacle to reaching our goal of an industry standard contract is scope ― specifically as it pertains to the size and seat capacity of the larger regional jet.

Pay and Duration


–Six-year duration, early openers at four years
–Date-of-signing annual pay raises of 4 percent, 2 percent, 2 percent, mid-contract adjustment, then 2 percent, 2 percent. Group II (A319 and 737-700) merged with Group III at the Group III rates
–Only five groups (E190 Group, 737-800 Group, 757/767 Group, 777/787 Group and 747/A380 Group)
–International override paid only for actual flying (industry standard; same as United and Delta)
–No night pay (industry standard; same as Delta and United)
–Current book per diem rates.
–DOS+3 = $2.00 domestic and $2.20 international(low end of industry standard. Delta rates now $2.25 domestic and $2.75 international)
–Mid-contract adjustment improved to weighted average to minimize impact of US Airways
If United agreement ratified and APA secures a Jan. 2, 2013 date of signing:
–Worst case scenario, January 2016 adjustment would take 737-800 and S80 captain rates to $207/hour (more than 18 percent raise applied to all groups)
–Best case scenario, January 2016 (Delta and United only), 737-800 and S80 captain rates go to $220/hour (approximately 21 percent raise applied to all groups)
–Last management weighted ASM proposal had a provision that limited widebody pay increases to the average of Delta and United for comparable aircraft. This particular part is unacceptable.

Fatigue
–Fatigue calls paid
–Paid events subject to review team with APA input
–Fatigue memorandum of understanding has been agreed to (APA insisted on this language, it is industry leading)

Sick
–Split sick bank starting in January 2014 (60 hours short-term per year, rest in long-term bank)
–Substantiation not required for short-term bank
–Substantiation required to access long-term bank for absences more than 14 calendar days or if short-term bank depleted (Delta requires substantiation for sick events of 15 days or more, over 100 hours in a year, or if chief pilot has reason to suspect pilot is not sick)
–Annual sick sell-back program of half of unused accrual, starting with 2013 accrual (industry leading; Delta and United do not have this)
–Rapid reaccrual limited to time used (same as all other carriers with rapid re-accrual)
–Elimination of 46 hours sick charged if on reserve on long-term sick (no other carrier had this provision)
–Sick bank replenished after an injury on duty (June tentative agreement did not allow this)

Benefits
–Active medical – same as in June tentative agreement, which was essentially a carbon copy of the Continental pilots’ $750 deductible plan
–Disability improved from June tentative agreement
–60% of income up to $8,000 (Delta 50% no limit, United 50% up to $7,500)
–Offsets for SSDI, Workers Compensation and State Disability
– No offsets for earned (W2) income for first 48 months (was 24 months in the June tentative agreement)
–No premiums (United pilots pay premiums)
–Retirees under age 60 pay 100% for retiree medical (industry standard, same as Delta)
–Retirees 60-64 can cash out sick time at retirement into a Health Retirement Account ($25/hour) which can be used for medical premiums up to $25,000
–Delta retirees age 60-64 pay 51% of medical expenses

Pension
–14 percent contribution to 401(k) plan
–Frozen A Plan
–B Plan proceeds rolled to SuperSaver or pilot’s IRA
–Delta terminated pilot A Plan and substituted a 15 percent defined contribution
–United terminated pilot A Plan and substituted a 16 percent defined contribution

Scheduling
–84-hour max average line value with 82-hour rolling average over the year (close approximation to Delta)
–Green Book duty rigs – (close approximation to Delta and most other legacy carriers)
–90-hour average individual monthly max (limits a pilot to a maximum of 1,080 credited hours over the course of 12 months)
–Preferential bidding with requirement to negotiate PBS MOU by July 2013
–Current flight time/duty time limits until new federal aviation regulations applied in January 2014
–All sequences subject to review of Fatigue Risk Management System with APA input
–CPA bank eliminated, all fly-through time paid for the actual time flown in each bid month
–Reassignments past the original sequence footprint pay 150 percent
–Sequence protection notification and obligation windows (patterned after Delta contract)
–Pilot may opt out of sequence protection pay and obligation (management will not unreasonably withhold right to do so)
–Management will develop a trip-trade system that will replace TTOT as we know it

Vacation
–Green Book values and accruals with the elimination of the 42-day accrual step at 30 years of service
–Pilots can float all but one week of vacation
–Pilots can drop trips and charge to vacation bank

Pilot Bases
–STL pilot base will stay as we know it until an arbitration process has been concluded (approximately within 120 days of signing)
–No other pilot bases will be closed until at least fourth-quarter 2013
–Home base concept which can allow some sequences to be built from cities that have large commuter populations

Reserve
–18 days of availability for 73 hours
–Trips assigned on scoring system (Reserve Priority Value, patterned after Delta system)
–Reserve pilots can pick up trips on days off for pay above guarantee at management option
–Elimination of reserve guarantee pay for up to four days of military duty (we were the only carrier with this provision)
–Military pilot may move duty-free periods to cover military duty

Scope (still not settled)
–APA willing to allow 76-seat with 86k weight limit (same as Delta)
–Management wants 79-seat jets, with 86k limit for current aircraft but no weight limit for CRJ700/900, EMB 170.175 or MRJ70/90 (same as June tentative agreement)
–Delta has a hard cap of 450 aircraft
–Management wants ability to codeshare with Alaska and Hawaiian plus 50 percent of domestic ASMs
–Delta contract fairly restrictive on code-sharing
–Current United contract only requires management to notify ALPA of codesharing (details of new United codesharing not yet available)
–Parties still debating furlough protection
–Last management offer has 95 percent of active pilots offered furlough protection (90 percent in case of a merger)

Miscellaneous
–APA can protest management compensation
–13.5 percent equity stake in the new company
–APA reimbursed $5 million for bankruptcy expenses

Unresolved as of Nov. 4, 2012
–All but a few paragraphs are in full contract language
–APA doesn’t agree to the potential cap on widebody pay increases in the mid-contract adjustment
–APA doesn’t agree to the management position on 79-seat jets with no weight limit
–APA doesn’t agree to the management position on furlough protection
–APA doesn't agree to management position on regional feed wraps​
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I grew up on the east coast. For as long as US Airways existed, as US Air or otherwise, it was considered a crappy airline by those most exposed to it. Not making anything up.

Speaking of crappy airlines: Does anyone else remember the year that the US Air rampers went on a rampage, (pun intended) and actually opened passenger's luggage, took dumps therein, closed the luggage and sent them on their merry way? I think that it was a holiday season but I am not quite sure which year... "Merry X-mas, valued customers... And here's your parting gift... Thank you for flying US Air..." Also not making anything up...
 
Where's my contract?
Why are we parked?
Why is there an injunction against my union?
What does the word "binding" mean?


East interpretation of "binding"... Anything eaten the night prior, that could possibly interfere with the next morning's constitutional...
 
Move said: "Hey ass wipe. I'm not the one you outed.

You're such a moron."

This type of posting, which is common to Move2CLT, is allowed, and encouraged (?) by US Aviation. What else can I conclude? Is this about "hits" and thus revenue?

Am I just as guilty, because I respond and post on a regular basis? Guilty? Yes. Dirty? Nope, that would be the monitors for not encouraging at least the minimum of decorum, with the understanding we all go off the reservation now and then. Move seems to have a hall pass. Shame on US Aviation. Look at my moniker, see how long I have been here (and supported the ad revuenue.)

Greeter
 
Speaking of crappy airlines: Does anyone else remember the year that the US Air rampers went on a rampage, (pun intended) and actually opened passenger's luggage, took dumps therein, closed the luggage and sent them on their merry way? I think that it was a holiday season but I am not quite sure which year... "Merry X-mas, valued customers... And here's your parting gift... Thank you for flying US Air..." Also not making anything up...
That never happened your are making it up.
 
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Move said: "Hey ass wipe. I'm not the one you outed.

You're such a moron."

This type of posting, which is common to Move2CLT, is allowed, and encouraged (?) by US Aviation. What else can I conclude? Is this about "hits" and thus revenue?

Am I just as guilty, because I respond and post on a regular basis? Guilty? Yes. Dirty? Nope, that would be the monitors for not encouraging at least the minimum of decorum, with the understanding we all go off the reservation now and then. Move seems to have a hall pass. Shame on US Aviation. Look at my moniker, see how long I have been here (and supported the ad revuenue.)

Greeter

I see you've nary a reference to the east posts.

If you don't like here then leave.
 
Move said: "Hey ass wipe. I'm not the one you outed.

You're such a moron."

This type of posting, which is common to Move2CLT, is allowed, and encouraged (?) by US Aviation. What else can I conclude? Is this about "hits" and thus revenue?

Am I just as guilty, because I respond and post on a regular basis? Guilty? Yes. Dirty? Nope, that would be the monitors for not encouraging at least the minimum of decorum, with the understanding we all go off the reservation now and then. Move seems to have a hall pass. Shame on US Aviation. Look at my moniker, see how long I have been here (and supported the ad revuenue.)

Greeter

Moniker?

LMAO.
 
Don't worry 320, the recall vote will indeed happen. What I hear is they are over the top, now trying for a slam dunk. At least 2 of the 3 will indeed be replaced in CLT. Trouble is, ALL of the BPR is failing now, especially looking at the APA proposed contract (if that report is to believed.)

With no MOU, and now no chance of that, the East faces the loss of ALL our widebodies (while still maintaining min fleet.) All will get no increase in pay or retirement contributions, and the eventual loss of our HI and Shuttle flying. Thanks guys for holding out for back pay and a 190 raise (what, 5% of our fleet?) All this work to get a new union up and running, and the BPR could not even listen to its paid help. Instead they follow McKee(Cleary) and his failed angry bird approach.

1/3 of the USAPA pilots (PHX) had NOTHING to gain by pursing the Grievance path the BPR fell in love with.

Greeter
 
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