OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Metroyet]

Oh, and another thing....here is what Parker just said as related to him by HIS legal team....yes that would include Siegel....about her ruling and appeal? I HOPE IT GOES TO THE NINTH!

Parker et al (meaning the company) doesn't care about seniority...yours mine or ours. It doesn't want to pay for it.

What Parker just said and I quote:

"that one court saying its not ripe, but once is is ripe we MIGHT find ourselves in a serious situation with USAPA and possibly the company violating the rights of some individuals reinforced by Judge Silvers ruling. That's one problem and on the other hand USAPA, the bargaining agent, that were required to negotiate with, STATING that that is NOT the seniority list they choose to negotiate to. So, thats one problem, WERE NOT, BY ANY MEANS, TRYING TO PICK SIDES ON THIS...were just, you know, betwix and between what do we do? We had hoped judge Silver would have solved that for us, but she didn't. But indeed she pretty much just reinforced....ah, restated the problem..and, umm, restated it even more strongly. So, at any rate, were trying to figure ut what we're going to do about that.

Post her ruling, there were filings made by both USAPA and um, the West pilots, that we thought, reineforced, yet again, how irreconcilable these differences are and they can't be resolved so we simply made a filing that said "look at this", you know, since you made your ruling, please reconsider. So thats what this is, we'll see what she says, but...but that's all it was.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. Another effort by us to see if we can get a ruling. So, ah, if it doesn't happen, we'll have to figure out what we'll do and (stammering) last time in PHX....we may appeal. Which I'm certain that if we do that we get accused of trying to delay....to the extent that if the NMB thinks it makes sense gets to the point of trying to restart negotiations, we restart negotiation again, that our problem that we keep saying out loud is the negotiations don't move at a rapid pace because we DON'T HAVE A SENIORITY LIST THAT IS AGREED UPON...they don't agree with what you guys say you guys don't agree with what they say and yet again,

WE DON'T HAVE THIS RESOLVED TO THE POINT WHERE THE COMPANY IS CERTAIN WHAT SENIORITY LIST WE CAN NEGOTIATE TOWARD.

It makes the negotiations NOT go very fast. So we would really like to see this resolved. So, its a difficult situation I wish we'd get resolved but, she didn't help much which is not a complaint by the judge by the way but indeed her comments ruling she made is she didn't have the authority to over-rule what the Ninth circuit said but, it's STILL UNRESOLVED."

You know Damn well whatever Parker says in those stupid crew news sessions is as admissible in court as a book of fairy tales. Get him under oath in a court room. Siegle is Adamant that the Nic. Is part of the status quo and they must abide by it. Spin whatever bs you want. It's a fact. Where do you get the idea that the company must simply accept your demands?

 

[EastUS1]

I know this is a completely foreign concept to you but it is called integrity and principles.

Thanks for the winning entry in the Joke of the Day competition. 😉 Here's your west version of "integrity and principles":

Move2CLT Posted Today, 10:02 PM Can't wait to skip over you and into a line while you sit reserve for the rest of your career.

 

[end_of_alpa]

You know Damn well whatever Parker says in those stupid crew news sessions is as admissible in court as a book of fairy tales. Get him under oath in a court room. Siegle is Adamant that the Nic. Is part of the status quo and they must abide by it. Spin whatever bs you want. It's a fact. Where do you get the idea that the company must simply accept your demands?

Well why don't YOU go to the next PHX crew news and tell Doug he's full or it? Or do you want someone else to do your dirty work for you? Oh, note to self....silver found for USAPA on count II. Why Symanski doesn't argue the "Dicta" in her order is what's contradicting her judgment and causing confusion is beyond me.

 

[EastUS1]

So now we go from Spartans to "dragon slayers"?

Your not Mike, the same guy a few years ago in the Parker crews news who stated "We hate you guys"?

Parker told you "that's not productive". Would that be short for GROW UP?

"So now we go from Spartans to "dragon slayers"?"

Well, you're omitting their interim evolution, when according to their mighty "spartan" vidiot; they became "knights" who've "fought with valor in many battles" in "war" and even imaginary "dire wolves" as well. Dragon slayers seems but a short additional step into the depths of Fantasyland for these "heros".

Good luck with any/all suggestions to "GROW UP". I've long since given up on even imagining anything of the sort ever happening out there.

 

[cleardirect]

US Airways company webcast for pilots dated 20 July 2006, Doug Parker stated:

BUT WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO WORK PRETTY WELL IS A STRUCTURE THAT SAYS,

"YES DATE OF HIRE, BUT, ONE, NO ONE CAN OFF FURLOUGH AND REPLACE AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE" AND "FURTHERMORE, NO ONE CAN MOVE INTO A BASE UNLESS THERE IS A VACANCY. THEY CAN ONLY SEE THEMSELVES DISPLACED BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OPENNING SOMEWHERE. I WISH WE COULD GET THERE AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AS BAD AS EVERYBODY THINKS."

All CAPS for the visually impaired. Don't believe me, USAPA has the tape, ask them for it. Better yet, when DFR II comes down the pike I'm sure the Judge would like to see/hear it as well. Because that IS WHAT PARKER SAID!

This is what Parker and Lakefield SIGNED. The only thing that matter would be what Parker says UNDER OATH and what the company said in court documents. Go back and read what the company has said about the T/A and accepting the Nicolau.

JOINT STATEMENT OF LABOR PRINCIPLES

The management teams at both US Airways and America West Airlines recognize the anxiety
and uncertainty created among our valued employees since news of a potential merger surfaced in April,
and we sincerely regret that legal constraints prevented us from providing you with more details about our
discussions. Now that we have announced our planned merger, we can assure you that we have heard
your requests to be kept informed and we will be as open as possible as this transaction progresses.
The leading question is the obvious one: what will happen to my job if America West is ultimately
merged into US Airways? We’ll try to give you our best answer, but please keep in mind that it will take a
long time to complete an operational integration and, as we’ve already seen, there’s always the potential
for unexpected changes in our industry.

Even once we begin the process of integrating our operations, it’s still hard to say what will
happen to anyone’s particular job. For employees in work groups not represented by a collective
bargaining agent at either airline, our management teams will be fair to employees at both carriers. Every
employee is entitled to be evaluated individually, and there is no presumption that employees of one
airline will be favored over the other.

For employees in work groups represented by unions, the question of what will happen to your
jobs is even harder for us to answer because so much of what will happen is outside management’s
control. Our labor contracts contain different provisions governing how seniority lists will be integrated,
and depending on your specific contract, provide for integration in accordance with a particular union’s
merger policy or certain “Allegheny Mohawk” seniority integration provisions. We will honor those
contractual commitments, and the ultimate outcome of seniority integration will be determined by your
collective bargaining representatives as dictated by your contracts.

Although the seniority integration process will be handled by your union representatives, we have
every expectation that our unions will honor certain obviously fair and equitable protocols as they
implement their merger policies or Allegheny Mohawk provisions. Specifically, we would expect that no
employee who already had been furloughed prior to the merger would be permitted to bump an active
employee out of a job. Likewise, we expect our unions will recognize a solution that simply “staples” all
employees of one airline to the bottom of the other’s seniority list as unacceptable and unconscionable.
To that end, because of seniority differences in some groups, straight seniority integration could have an effect similar to that of stapling employees to the bottom of a seniority list, an outcome that is inconsistent with a fair and equitable protocol. Therefore, some type of proportional integration would seem
reasonable. Given our experience working with your union representatives, we do not anticipate they
would advocate an integrated seniority list that violates the basic tenets of fairness and equity, and we
encourage them to help ease any uncertainty among their members as soon as possible by confirming
their intention to work toward seniority integration using these basic principles.

Lastly, although it is extremely important to go through the proper process of integrating seniority
lists, dragging seniority integration out for an unnecessarily long period of time is not in anyone’s best
interest. It is distracting to employees, and to customers who contemplate flying with the new US
Airways. A thoughtful, deliberate but timely resolution will help everyone move forward with greater
certainty, even if expectations are not always met.

We will provide updates about the proposed merger as soon as we can, while continuing to be
honest about what we can’t predict. We truly believe this proposed merger is in the best interests of
employees at both airlines, and we will work hard to provide you with information as we move towards a
combined airline that has a great future ahead.

Sincerely,

Doug Parker Bruce R. Lakefield

 

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This is what Parker and Lakefield SIGNED. The only thing that matter would be what Parker says UNDER OATH and what the company said in court documents. Go back and read what the company has said about the T/A and accepting the Nicolau.

Parry, thrust,array, thrust, parry, thrust.....and so on.

TELL USAPA WE ALL WANT A SENIORITY SOLUTION BEFORE A CONTRACT SOLUTION. THE COMPANY WANTS IT AND THE WEST WANTS IT.

TELL HUMMEL, BRADFORD, SMYSER AND STREBLE WE WANT IT TOO.

(Now THAT'S yelling!)

 

[cleardirect]

Parry, thrust,array, thrust, parry, thrust.....and so on.

TELL USAPA WE ALL WANT A SENIORITY SOLUTION BEFORE A CONTRACT SOLUTION. THE COMPANY WANTS IT AND THE WEST WANTS IT.

TELL HUMMEL, BRADFORD, SMYSER AND STREBLE WE WANT IT TOO.

(Now THAT'S yelling!)

WE HAVE TOLD ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. WE TOLD THEM ALL REPEATEDLY TO USE WHAT WE ALL AGREED TO THE NICOLAU.

Can you hear me now?

 

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WE HAVE TOLD ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. WE TOLD THEM ALL REPEATEDLY TO USE WHAT WE ALL AGREED TO THE NICOLAU.

Can you hear me now?

Oh we'll, that means status quo. See you in a few years.

 

[traderjake]

What's your point, D.E.?

Almost nothing USAPA does is based in reality, that's why we have nothing to show for the last 5 years.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Well why don't YOU go to the next PHX crew news and tell Doug he's full or it? Or do you want someone else to do your dirty work for you? Oh, note to self....silver found for USAPA on count II. Why Symanski doesn't argue the "Dicta" in her order is what's contradicting her judgment and causing confusion is beyond me.

Parker has openly stated in PHX crew news when questioned with court transcripts 'I don't know what the company attorney has said in court".

Do you really believe Parker doesn't know what his attorney is saying in court?

PD!!

 

[Metroyet]

Parker has openly stated in PHX crew news when questioned with court transcripts 'I don't know what the company attorney has said in court".

Do you really believe Parker doesn't know what his attorney is saying in court?

PD!!

I love the fact that he obviously knows what Silver has said...because he quotes her...and yet we are expected to believe he DOESN'T know what his own Lawyers say. Doug Parker is flat out lying. Disgusting. He isn't man enough to even acknowledge what is a matter of public record?

He's out of his mind for allowing this to get so far out of control.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Almost nothing USAPA does is based in reality, that's why we have nothing to show for the last 5 years.

Not USAPA ALPA AFL-CIO IAM .... IT'S US, THE PILOTS.

Different name same problem.

That's the reality.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I love the fact that he obviously knows what Silver has said...because he quotes her...and yet we are expected to believe he DOESN'T know what his own Lawyers say. Doug Parker is flat out lying. Disgusting. He isn't man enough to even acknowledge what is a matter of public record?

He's out of his mind for allowing this to get so far out of control.

Truth hurts.

Painful, I understand.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Parker has openly stated in PHX crew news when questioned with court transcripts 'I don't know what the company attorney has said in court".

Do you really believe Parker doesn't know what his attorney is saying in court?

PD!!

I know he knows what his attorney is saying in court. You just need to open your ears.

 

[jetjok1]

Got any idea what a litigation hold means for the company?

You won't be running with anything, other than what your Nic seniority can hold when merged into the AMR list.

have a happy holiday!

My seniority, Nic or otherwise is just fine.............the problem I have with your flawed, windfall award is with, and always has been, the fine men and women I sit next to.