OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[jetjok1]

To all of the hypocrites on the east.

Many of you scream about how unfair the Nicolau is. How you will NEVER allow a seniority list that does not honor LOS or DOH. How the only fair way to integrate is by service to the company.

Well it seems that only applies when it favors east pilots and not really a “gold standard” philosophy.

Dave O’Dell and other west pilots have worked for US Airways for 8 years. Yet he has been placed below new hires. Pilots with now 8 years less as Breeze would say “seniority”. Yet what have any of you done to correct the injustice of a west pilot having his “seniority stolen”? Where have been your cries of unfairness for these long suffering west pilots? Have any of you demanded that usapa file a grievance to correct this horror? After all the C&BL of usapa demands integration by DOH. We do not need a joint contract to place those west pilots moving to the east just a demonstration of consistent principles.

You east pilots say that a LUP is that length of service is all important and that you will use that as a defense in court.

Well gentlemen past actions and consistency of policy is strong evidence in court. How are you going to argue that DOH is the end all be all of usapa if you have done nothing for west pilots when they came east not using DOH but want all east pilots to have DOH when it benefits east pilots?

When you fly with those new hires are you telling them they are stealing a west pilot’s seniority because they have 8 years less seniority than the man that put his time in for the company?

Past actions demonstrate what usapa really wants. That is to put as many west pilots below east pilots as possible. By not demanding a consistent seniority method you east pilots have destroyed what you think your defense was in court. Usapa had a chance to demonstrate that they think DOH is important and actually ignored your C&BL by not doing anything for the west pilots coming east

So much for the “gold standard” of seniority that must only apply to east pilots.

CYIC

I don't agree with anything you say because, as usual, I'm not one of your stereotyped, one for all East pilots. I understand your concerns and agree that it can't be DOH. I'll repeat, it can't be straight DOH........however, it can't be Nic either. It was an inconsistent award. IMO, he figured out some of it correct and drew straws for the other part. I guess it's possible that senility set in when he was half done........

 

[luvthe9]

US Airways company webcast for pilots dated 20 July 2006, Doug Parker stated:

BUT WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO WORK PRETTY WELL IS A STRUCTURE THAT SAYS,

"YES DATE OF HIRE, BUT, ONE, NO ONE CAN OFF FURLOUGH AND REPLACE AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE" AND "FURTHERMORE, NO ONE CAN MOVE INTO A BASE UNLESS THERE IS A VACANCY. THEY CAN ONLY SEE THEMSELVES DISPLACED BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OPENNING SOMEWHERE. I WISH WE COULD GET THERE AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AS BAD AS EVERYBODY THINKS."

All CAPS for the visually impaired. Don't believe me, USAPA has the tape, ask them for it. Better yet, when DFR II comes down the pike I'm sure the Judge would like to see/hear it as well. Because that IS WHAT PARKER SAID!

Wow, Parker has laid it out for the West, and that bid proved it. This train is leaving the station. The kids out West are missing it. Whoever out there that did not take the recall, is honestly out of luck. Especially in a merger. They have not won one legal challenge yet. It is time to give up on the Nic. That thing is TOAST.

 

[luvthe9]

You can't even read your own bid.

It is for MARCH. 3 months from now. It says 29 retirements over 3 months is not 1 a day.

One a day would be 365 retirements. 150 is less than 365. Ask someone to use a calculator for you.

Damn you are stupid.

You are getting angrier by the minute, as you realize the hole you are in.

 

[luvthe9]

That is half the claim made by mad man.

It drives me nuts when people out right lie.

Thats what the pirate said about the ships wheel attached to his male appendage..........'It drives me nuts!"

 

[luvthe9]

You know Damn well whatever Parker says in those stupid crew news sessions is as admissible in court as a book of fairy tales. Get him under oath in a court room. Siegle is Adamant that the Nic. Is part of the status quo and they must abide by it. Spin whatever bs you want. It's a fact. Where do you get the idea that the company must simply accept your demands?

Mitch Vasin and the legal wannabes sure give you guys the bum steer over and over. Unbelievable.

 

[cleardirect]

I don't agree with anything you say because, as usual, I'm not one of your stereotyped, one for all East pilots. I understand your concerns and agree that it can't be DOH. I'll repeat, it can't be straight DOH........however, it can't be Nic either. It was an inconsistent award. IMO, he figured out some of it correct and drew straws for the other part. I guess it's possible that senility set in when he was half done........

Let me guess. You agree with the 517 going first but disagree with furloughed pilots being place junior to active pilots.

 

[cleardirect]

Mitch Vasin and the legal wannabes sure give you guys the bum steer over and over. Unbelievable.

So the lawyer that started this entire mess. Lee Seham is gone and gone. Disgraced by the very guys that hired him. Now you have PS that has zero RLA experience that has had hid butt handed to him in every court he has appear for usapa.

I will take our legal team over your legal team any day of the week.

 

[traderjake]

Not USAPA ALPA AFL-CIO IAM .... IT'S US, THE PILOTS.

Different name same problem.

That's the reality.

It is the majority of us pilots, not the name on the door.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

You know Damn well whatever Parker says in those stupid crew news sessions is as admissible in court as a book of fairy tales. Get him under oath in a court room. Siegle is Adamant that the Nic. Is part of the status quo and they must abide by it. Spin whatever bs you want. It's a fact. Where do you get the idea that the company must simply accept your demands?

"Siegle" can be adamant all he wants. To my surprise. In fact to my great surprise he got his hat handed to him in Judge Silver's courtroom. Yikes. Handed to him by the "Seham replacement lawyer" no less. Maybe Seham had it right all along. Seems the Ninth, SCOTUS, and then (surprise yet again) even Wake eventually agreed.Good luck on your "crew room sessions" as being protected. Had the Honorable Judge Wake run a fair trial, you already would have seen some of them. Good thing the Ninth "erased" that fiasco.Greeter

 

[cleardirect]

"Siegle" can be adamant all he wants. To my surprise. In fact to my great surprise he got his hat handed to him in Judge Silver's courtroom. Yikes. Handed to him by the "Seham replacement lawyer" no less. Maybe Seham had it right all along. Seems the Ninth, SCOTUS, and then (surprise yet again) even Wake eventually agreed.Good luck on your "crew room sessions" as being protected. Had the Honorable Judge Wake run a fair trial, you already would have seen some of them. Good thing the Ninth "erased" that fiasco.Greeter

Ok so no more excuses. No seniority problem. Total pilot unity. Usapa has all the leverage they need to get a contract.

Where is it?

 

[Walmartgreeter]

So the lawyer that started this entire mess. Lee Seham is gone and gone. Disgraced by the very guys that hired him. Now you have PS that has zero RLA experience that has had hid butt handed to him in every court he has appear for usapa.

I will take our legal team over your legal team any day of the week.

Seham was wronged by Cleary and McKee. That sad chapter is now put to bed by USAPA. Even though neither of us was paying him, the real embarrassment was the Company's outside counsel's probably career ending fail. Marty at least has his heart in the deal, though I don't really understand your insistence any legal "butts" were handed to USAPA's counsel. I just hope the union can keep him on, with the career boost and feather in his cap he just won. Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Ok so no more excuses. No seniority problem. Total pilot unity. Usapa has all the leverage they need to get a contract.

Where is it?

Excuses will always be front and center, both sides. Seniority problem solved and shelved for now. Just watch. USAPA has little leverage, but just enough. Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

"What is usapa's legitimate union purpose; for anything?"

No such thing as "legitimate union purpose" in any DFR logic or case law. Not required, not judged, only shouted. Nice fantasy from Marty promoted by Wake and then Silver.

Job one of the new union, by the way, complete.

Greeter

 

[jetjok1]

I love the fact that he obviously knows what Silver has said...because he quotes her...and yet we are expected to believe he DOESN'T know what his own Lawyers say. Doug Parker is flat out lying. Disgusting. He isn't man enough to even acknowledge what is a matter of public record?

He's out of his mind for allowing this to get so far out of control.

For once.......we agree !!

 

[jetjok1]

Let me guess. You agree with the 517 going first but disagree with furloughed pilots being place junior to active pilots.

Sorry, you guessed wrong............furloughed pilots should be placed junior to active pilots. You're not as smart as you think you are!