OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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"What is usapa's legitimate union purpose; for anything?"

No such thing as "legitimate union purpose" in any DFR logic or case law. Not required, not judged, only shouted. Nice fantasy from Marty promoted by Wake and then Silver.

Job one of the new union, by the way, complete.

Greeter

It may not be RLA but it is required by a federal judge now.

 

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Seham was wronged by Cleary and McKee. That sad chapter is now put to bed by USAPA. Even though neither of us was paying him, the real embarrassment was the Company's outside counsel's probably career ending fail. Marty at least has his heart in the deal, though I don't really understand your insistence any legal "butts" were handed to USAPA's counsel. I just hope the union can keep him on, with the career boost and feather in his cap he just won. Greeter

But Cleary and McKee were singing seams praises after the ninth. We were told usapa won and put an end to seniority. What happened? Why were they allowed to be a sad chapter in the very short history of the new union?

Usapa legal butt kicking

RICO

Fourth circuit

Status quo

Illegal job action

 

[Walmartgreeter]

It may not be RLA but it is required by a federal judge now.

Guess we are quickly proving your "quantity" on this board has nothing to do with quality.Who said anything about RLA? Good luck on your legit union purpose. I seem to remember Judge Silver telling us all something "other" than a ruling 7 years ago may, might, could prevail. We heard the same from the majority in SFO. A trend?Your soon to be ripe and just DFR will get in line behind that of the T'way guys in the legal maze. I will be long gone before it is even scheduled, though I shame my TWA friends even hinting it is in the same class.Greeter

 

[traderjake]

Seniority problem solved and shelved for now. Just watch.

The company doesn't appear to share you opinion.

 

[luvthe9]

The company doesn't appear to share you opinion.

Doesn't matter about opinions, it's what the court said , get over it . The westies we spoke with the other night in CLT are very upset about the east bid and do realize they were screwed over by Ferguson and the AOL boys, they could have shared in the growth but oh well. STAGNATION. PS Dave O'Dell is very happy here.

 

[cleardirect]

Doesn't matter about opinions, it's what the court said , get over it . The westies we spoke with the other night in CLT are very upset about the east bid and do realize they were screwed over by Ferguson and the AOL boys, they could have shared in the growth but oh well. STAGNATION. PS Dave O'Dell is very happy here.

How exactly was that going to happen?

DOH or locked in PHX. Either way the west gets none of it.

BTW you need to pay closer attention to conversations. Yes the west is upset about the bid but not blaming AOL. This is all on Parker and his BS.

 

[traderjake]

Doesn't matter about opinions, it's what the court said , get over it .

You've finally stumbled on the truth, too bad you don't understand what the courts said.

It's my opinion that absent a merger you'll retire on LOA 93.

 

[traderjake]

dupe

 

[Claxon]

But Cleary and McKee were singing seams praises after the ninth. We were told usapa won and put an end to seniority. What happened? Why were they allowed to be a sad chapter in the very short history of the new union?

Usapa legal butt kicking

RICO

Fourth circuit

Status quo

Illegal job action

Leonidas butt kicked:

Wake Trial destroyed by 9th

Separate Ops

Cleary keeping Nicolau fended off, Silver affirms USAPA bargaining entity

Leonidas spends 2 million on unripe case

USAirways hiring begins, with retirements. Eastern group captures attrition

Parker affirms no western div. hiring in future

5 A 330 s being delivered before July

Leonidas attempts to negotiate with APA, told USAPA is the bargaining agent. APA pilots affirm the Nicolau Award is harmful to their pilots. Want nothing to do with it.

Ferguson and Leonidas tell furloughed western div pilots to pass on furlough recalls to eastern side. Shortly thereafter Parker and Horton begin merger preparations. Furloughed then told by Parker they are not coming back. Leonidas now liable in lawsuit.

Eastern div bid comes out with numerous upgrades, new hire projections in hundreds by crew planners.

 

[Ames]

Ames,

I take offense to your use of the word retard. Both my wife and I have a "retarded" brother and sister respectively. I'll tell you that I have more admiration, respect and they display more courage and character than any of you yahoos on this board. You talk about entitlement and deserving. Hell, you can take your entitlement and stick it where the sun don't shine. You disappoint me

I had a retarted brother who passed away long ago, yet I don't share your sensitivity to the use of the word.

PS: It's you eastholes who have the entitlement mentality and you certainly can stick it where the sun don't shine. One other thing; I don't really care what an easthole thinks of me. You people are insignificant.

 

[Ames]

I agree (drives me nuts, too).......sorta like the lie that relative seniority is fair, while the truth is that you guys "can't wait to skip over us and put us on reserve for the rest of our careers."

Your lottery ticket is not going to happen. That is a windfall no matter how you look at it.

Again, call it seniroity or longevity......the bottom line is that time spent on the job has to be honored. "Relative seniority" is a made up term that just allows leapfrogging.

breeze

....says the career clinger who has no sense of fairness due to his overdeveloped entitlement mentality.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Were as insignificant, as a WEST seniority number on the last EAST BID!

 

[cactusboy53]

Doesn't matter about opinions, it's what the court said , get over it . The westies we spoke with the other night in CLT are very upset about the east bid and do realize they were screwed over by Ferguson and the AOL boys, they could have shared in the growth but oh well. STAGNATION. PS Dave O'Dell is very happy here.

While Satan is the Father of Lies, Luvr is his red-headed step-child to be sure. The only people that are upset with Ferguson & AOL are the entrenched DOH "Down by the River" gang. You have been effectively held on the line. While you are getting upgrades, you are paid LESS than an RJ captain in many cases.

This will come to an end eventually. You will have won delay, and lost mult-millions of dollars & time off. Keep lying to yourself and your imaginary "westie friends". No one is buying your falsehoods, luvr.

CB

 

[EastUS1]

FL430, on 09 November 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Welcome to the palmetto state. Where is your property? Mt Pleasant?"

AmesPosted 10 November 2012 - 02:42 PM
Thanks for the welcome. I would rather not say where I'm building because I think there are some nutjobs on this board who just might try to find out who I am and sabatoge my house. Yes, I say that seriously."

I had a retarted brother who passed away long ago, yet I don't share your sensitivity to the use of the word.

PS: It's you eastholes who have the entitlement mentality and you certainly can stick it where the sun don't shine. One other thing; I don't really care what an easthole thinks of me. You people are insignificant.

I'm sorry for the loss of your brother and mean no offence in that regard at all. I question your use of the term "retarted" as you put it, regardless of whether or not you were somehow, emotionally above the sting of such callous and ignorant disrespect shown to a loved one yourself.

I've some clinical curiosity here that you could help with, if you would. Bluntly speaking; which flavor of borderline-psychotic BS are you offering up today? The insanely paranoid version, who's "seriously" concerned for the safety of his future home, due to nothing more than your contentious, public internet postings (in which case, we should all be paranoid here) or the equally interesting personality that feels the need to note the complete lack of concern for the opinions of others? Fyi: Either personality structure is indicative of an absurdly inflated sense of self worth and overall importance, and/or a considerable burden of defensive, personal "armor".

"PS: It's you eastholes who have the entitlement mentality and you certainly can stick it where the sun don't shine." Ames Posted 09 November 2012 - 11:50 AM : "I am optimistic. By the time the house is finished I hope to be a 757 captain based in CLT."

You're an interesting bunch out there. My personal "favorite" though, regarding recently expressed notions of "entitlement mentality" has to be: Move2CLT Posted 10:02 PM Can't wait to skip over you and into a line while you sit reserve for the rest of your career.

 

[EastUS1]

While Satan is the Father of Lies, Luvr is his red-headed step-child to be sure.

I see....so the evil easties, or at least one, are now in league with, or at least directly affiliated with satan? Whew!

Whatever our differences; I wish everyone a fine Thanksgiving and hope we all have the needed sense to enjoy and appreciate life's bounty, even if just for that day. 🙂