The ax falls in PHL

[ClueByFour]

a good lawyer will get each tried separately too....rather than as a group.

Not a chance. The prosecution will introduce all kinds of evidence of conspiracy to commit, as well as the "warnings" issued to the TWU.

 

[hp_fa]

Not a chance. The prosecution will introduce all kinds of evidence of conspiracy to commit, as well as the "warnings" issued to the TWU.

Actually, I agree with Dell on this. There may be 20+ trials because of the potential prejudicial value to each defendant in a mass trial, but what is even more likely is that the prosecutor will find someone who will turn state's evidence in return for a sweetheart plea deal.

Dell, and others, will likely try to say that no potential defendant will "rat out" another union defendant. Historically, that argument would fail with that many potential "rats", especially if the prosecutor starts reminding defendants how long 5-20 years in prison actually is, how much they will miss their families and their families will miss them, etc. Sure the rat(s) will need to move and/or enter the witness protection program (if the Feds are doing the prosecuting), but that would likely be preferable to years in the slammer and needing to serve at least 85% of any sentence.

 

[delldude]

Actually, I agree with Dell on this. There may be 20+ trials because of the potential prejudicial value to each defendant in a mass trial, but what is even more likely is that the prosecutor will find someone who will turn state's evidence in return for a sweetheart plea deal.

plea deal or not the one going states has to have reasonable credibility.....like no holes in his/her character...

Dell, and others, will likely try to say that no potential defendant will "rat out" another union defendant.

no i would say with out reservation the SMA(save my ass) move would and will be in full service.water seeks its own level and so will the accused faced with some threat of time served from DA.but i remind you....any, if at all time served based on the past records of the accused most likely won't be anything other than some type of probation.
(remember,these people have passed FBI backround checks several times now)

c'mon here i have respect for you with your insight into this issue....but as far as witness protection ....we aren't ratting out gotti by any means....

and the DA will surely paint the worst pic immaginable to some relative pussies who probably have never really had exposure to the judicial system.and i'm sure it will get their attention.

my bottom line is i don't see anything stupendous coming out of this even though, i'm aware there are people who think this parallels the crime of the century...but in all reality it isn't.also i'm not trying to discount the acts that were perpetrated upon TWU by any means...but lets put this into a legal perspective comparing it to other heinous crimes that go on daily in the good old USA.

like i said before...let due process prevail....the IAM members who acted without rationale are victims of their own ignorance...they have brought upon themselves and their own family grievous harm.whether or not you agree,some feeling of compassion has to go to their families and the situation they(perpetrators) brought upon their unwitting family members who depended on their good judgement to bring home the bacon.

 

[fanlube]

You have to remember some of these same folks also beleive that the IAM was justified for scabbing at NWA! Remember it's not a lie if you beleive it

 

[700UW]

22 against five sounds like "Wannabe" tough guys. That being said I am a little concerned for my personal safety in the PHL Airport.

Don't make yourself out to be something you are not.

Being a bit over dramtic?

 

[700UW]

The IAM did not play a role in what happened.

Lets see if they are all white, should we say all white people should be investigated?

Lets see if they were all christians, should we say all christians should be investigated?

Since they are all from PHL, should all Philadelphians be investigated?

Get the point?

You are beating dead horse and making accusations you can't back up.

Bottom line is a band of 25 renegades acted on their own and in bad judgement, until you have proof otherwise it is enough.

And don't make yourself out to be someone so important that the rampers in PHL are out to get you, way overdramatic.

 

[delldude]

Either that or the IAM is using it's political connections to halt charges being filed. At least that's a persistant rumor I'm hearing.
maybe a juristiction issue....locals may not have the power...FBI arena possibly.look up union violence on google...lots info there.

Heard another really juicy one too. It had to do with a Sr US Executive going "Undercover" and working a shift on the ramp or at least observing a shift. Could be the "westies" are a little tougher to flim flam.
we had various high ranking VP's and such who had their licenses come in and work...get to know floor level issues and such.proved an excellent op for the regular floor level butt kissers to shine like a star.

maybe the west crowd has somekind of infatuation with that good 'ol philly mentality??

 

[DOODY]

10 to 1 says at least the Local knew what was going on or going to happen.....come on. :down:

This is my opinion, but to say that you know that the IAM did not play a role is a bit of a stretch. Is this your opinion or do you believe it to be fact because the IAM (by the way, are we talking members, local, district) told you so?

Just want to know where you are getting your info....

The IAM did not play a role in what happened.

 

[700UW]

The members involved acted upon their own.

There was not direction from the International or District Leadership.

The people acted upon their own.

IAM Legal Dept information.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The members involved acted upon their own.

There was not direction from the International or District Leadership.

The people acted upon their own.

IAM Legal Dept information.

I don't believe that the above information has been proven factually as of yet. Kind of amazing that a GROUP with those numbers all had the same idea at the same time. And what about the supposed warning that was given? How long were they hanging out and laying in wait? What about the supposed threats and chatter previous to the actual incident?? Your statements look like Swiss Cheese to me.

 

[delldude]

I don't believe that the above information has been proven factually as of yet. Kind of amazing that a GROUP with those numbers all had the same idea at the same time. And what about the supposed warning that was given? How long were they hanging out and laying in wait? What about the supposed threats and chatter previous to the actual incident?? Your statements look like Swiss Cheese to me.

it will hold up in court...bet your bippy.

 

[700UW]

Well lets see,

Has anyone proven the International or District was involved or ordered it too happen?

I think not.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Well lets see,

Has anyone proven the International or District was involved or ordered it too happen?

I think not.

My point exactly. NOTHING has been proven yet. You post statements as if they were fact.

 

[delldude]

My point exactly. NOTHING has been proven yet. You post statements as if they were fact.

they are...Int'l cannot have any duplicity in any such acts...something they learned from our presidents.
you guys are reaching....its funny.

 

[dc3fanatic]

After going through 9 pages of posts, I'm actually looking for a story that describes what everyone is talking about. Could someone post a link to get me up to speed on this issue?