US pilot labor thread 6/21-6/27

[AAA73Pilot]

FYI:

(24June2008)

Fellow pilots,

The following is an update with regard to USAPA's current legal action.

AWAPPA and its directors have submitted a Motion to Dismiss that will be considered by the federal court this Friday in the context of USAPA's injunction request.

Significantly, AWAPPA's motion actually assumes the truth of USAPA's allegations. In other words, AWAPPA takes the position that the lawsuit should be dismissed even if it is true that AWAPPA and others unlawfully conspired to send excrement through the mail, engage in threats of physical violence, and engage in criminal telephonic and electronic sabotage.

The gist of AWAPPA's motion is that, due to alleged technical defects relating to USAPA's federal cause of action, that cause of action should be dismissed. And, if the federal cause of action is dismissed, then the multiple state law causes of action should be dismissed based on the federal court's lack of jurisdiction over state law claims..

AWAPPA's motion, therefore, is nothing more than a technicality-based delay tactic. In the event the motion is successful, USAPA will simply re-file the action in North Carolina state court. In our view, nothing will have been accomplished for the defendants other than the generation of additional attorneys' fees. The defendants' "success" will merely result in the allegations of criminal and otherwise unlawful misconduct being evaluated by a North Carolina state court jury.

In the meantime, certain individual defendants have inquired with USAPA concerning the possibility of settlement. Due to the fact that the litigation is in its early stages, USAPA has responded -- depending on the conduct of the particular defendant -- with either low-cost or no-cost offers of settlement contingent on the individual's commitment to refrain from future unlawful conduct.

We are aware that certain of the defendants are soliciting money from their fellow pilots to finance their defense against the allegations of criminal and otherwise unlawful conduct. In our view, the better economic and moral decision would be to admit their wrong-doing and make a commitment to refrain from future criminal and unlawful activity. As the litigation progresses, however, USAPA will become more reluctant to agree to a low-cost or no-cost settlement.

USAPA is aware that certain individuals have represented that the lawsuit seeks the compromise the defendants' position regarding seniority integration. That is untrue. The current litigation does not seek to diminish the ability of any pilot to assert his or her position on seniority integration and/or to take legal action in defense of that position. The focus of this litigation is the unacceptability of criminal and otherwise unlawful tactics.

 

[Leonidas]

FYI:

That's funny since it was your scab lawyer that has been calling the defendants, why is that? Oh yeah, tell us how many west pilots have settled? clowns

 

[AAA73Pilot]

That's good, as it's important to maintain a sense of humour. Cue Belushi/"Bluto"-Animal House" "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!??...NOOO!"..."The Germans?.."Forget it...he's rolling" 😉

Hey east, you better be careful. With all the history revisions going on by the self proclaimed experts and other nut cases, it just might turn out the Germans really did bomb Pearl Harbor.

Great movie BTW.

 

[trunion]

That's funny since it was your scab lawyer that has been calling the defendants, why is that? Oh yeah, tell us how many west pilots have settled? clowns

Name calling is the sign of a desperate person. When out of valid responses, just call someone a name. I saw this on the playground when I was a child. GROW UP... say something of value.

 

[checksix]

That's funny since it was your scab lawyer that has been calling the defendants, why is that? Oh yeah, tell us how many west pilots have settled? clowns

Leonidas! You guys are doing a bang up job in your war on the east pilots - when this is all over you'll be able to write a book on how not to engage a pilot group. You guys have just been amazing, it's just been one gross failure/misjudgment after another. So tell us, what's your next bumbling move?

Its comforting to see that finally the west pilots are beginning to see the danger in associating themselves with you and your group. The Leonidas/AWAPPA armor is chipping away, bit by bit.

Not to get side tracked here:

You guys love to throw the term "scab" around, the irony is that you clearly don't understand the meaning.

Perhaps you and your group should consider using another derogatory, name calling term since this one would be more appropriate to those who have "refused membership in a labor union." Or, better yet, put forth a valid position/argument where you don't need to call someone a derogatory name.



Dictionary: scab
(skăB) pronunciation

n.

5.
1. A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
2. An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
3. A person hired to replace a striking worker.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

That's funny since it was your scab lawyer that has been calling the defendants, why is that? Oh yeah, tell us how many west pilots have settled? clowns

I guess anybody outside your very little realm is a _______. Personally I don't care who calls who. Nor if any of you settle or not. This too will play out, one way or the other. But your descriptive attacks only serve the closed minded. BTW. From the old ALPA web board, I'm Clown #2. Good luck dude, you really seem to need it.

 

[EastUS]

Hey east, you better be careful. With all the history revisions going on by the self proclaimed experts and other nut cases, it just might turn out the Germans really did bomb Pearl Harbor.

Great movie BTW.

Well...I'm also, past being surprised by even the most absurd claims seen within this thread....and that certainly now seems "possible", given some of the "logic" displayed hereabouts. Wait!..I've found the needed references within Nic and Alpa FUD. It seems that the Japanese did actually make the attack, but..the Germans, by reasons of their relative seniority, should be credited with it anyway, and entitled to all Japanese promotions and aircraft.

I offer the above purely by way of referencing a movie comedy, and mean ZERO disrespect to, or ANY real-world reference to those who fought and perished in that tragedy.

 

[EastUS]

That's funny since it was your scab lawyer that has been calling the defendants, why is that? Oh yeah, tell us how many west pilots have settled? clowns

Sigh..Then Mighty Leonidas..you and yours have not the least reason to fret on any level...your Noble Cause is shield enough, and, without doubt; an eventually Triumphant return to Sparta, and Hero's welcome awaits you all. Umm..why then, are you so strangely angry?

As per you Noble and Righteous Cause...ummm..is that what you were truly talking about via: Leonidas..."I want the captain seat..and most of all, I want every single east pilot to pay for it" ??? No matter...certainly, great glory awaits you and your fine band.

Just a suggestion Sire: If, for even the briefest of moments..consider at least impersonating a grown man, and some semblance of an actual, Professional Pilot. I'm ashamed to be even remotely associated with your sorry BS, childish antics, and overall disrespect for the craft you're, very sadly, seemingly part of. Either continue on as part of the problem..or...at least consider becoming part of the solution. There's no barriers to mutual communication within all legally established protocols. You currently have no vote..no actual input..no actual effect, and are merely floundering about in some bizarre tantrum...entirely by your own choice.

 

[checksix]

USAPA NEWS FLASH
June 24, 2008

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 24, 2008 Contact: James Ray
US Airline Pilots Association
980-875-7642

The US Airways Pilots Resume Contract Negotiations Which Remain a Major Obstacle In The Three Year Old Merger of US Airways and America West

CHARLOTTE – Two months after the National Mediation Board certified the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) to represent the US Airways pilots, the union today initiated pilot contract talks with US Airways Management that, if successful, will remove the major obstacle in bringing the two airlines together. Pilot negotiations broke off 10 months ago due to the disparate pay and working conditions between the two pilot groups, which the former bargaining agent could not resolve.

“We believe it’s time for Management to complete the job it started three years ago and conclude the merger of US Airways and America West,â€￾ said USAPA President Steve Bradford. “Although we are hopeful, we will wait and see what Management does - not what they say.â€￾

USAPA represents over 5,000 US Airways pilots in seven domiciles across the United States.

 

[traderjake]

USAPA represents over 5,000 US Airways pilots in seven domiciles across the United States.

We'll see how many US Airways pilots USAPA represents when they call for a strike.

 

[electricjet98]

If Parker had been granted one wish, in an attempt to permanently divide the pilots with hatred developed by broken promises, lawsuits and money lost(everyone's, not just east or west), could he have even dreamed for something as perfect as Lee Seehem? I'm sure NWA management, among others, also appreciated his efforts!

 

[elixir]

I'm quickly losing my "pride" at this company.

If it reduces to a RyanAir type op...well....that's it.

I have and will continue to argue that reducing and "unbundling" is NOT the answer...it's a band-aid.

This is a segway to the issue, the issue at hand is for the marketing department...who are apparently out to lunch on the state of affairs.

It is their job to position and market this company through ALL conditions.

I submit they have failed in that regard.

The result is wiggling through this BS and asking FLT OPS folks to sell $&it on the plane.

Half-baked...at best.

 

[pilot]

Best case scenario:

BOD agrees to sell the west operation to Virgin America. For the sanity and satisfaction of the west pilots the seniority lists are merged using the relative formula they feel is so fair and binding.

I put a call into Branson this morning and he is looking at the deal. He has to clear it with west SCABAWAPPASCABAMAMBAUMAMA pilot protection league first though. And make sure date of hire is not used in any facet of the merger including bidding trips, vacation, upgrades, furloughs, etc...... He also is looking to find a supply of excrement-proof envelopes so no one gets sick from the mailings that will follow the announcement of not using date of hire for anything regarding pilot issues of the new combined relative carrier.

Should be no problem.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

We'll see how many US Airways pilots USAPA represents when they call for a strike.

ALPA would have represented even less in such an event, so what is the point? You can't fix stupid(ALPA)!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

ALPA would have represented even less in such an event, so what is the point? You can't fix stupid(ALPA)!

So very true. Excellent observation. Seems some forget that little detail.