US pilot labor thread 6/21-6/27

[prechilill]

Clearly..as exemplified by your Comm Chairperson's...ahem "Moderator" at PHX's famous "Ho Ho Ho!, St Nic is coming to town!" postings, and overall hysterical demeanor.

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you think- just some helpful advice, my friend.

 

[elixir]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen you post...and you've said some stupid %&^t...

FYI, the CP's from both sides already have been given direction from the company on this...and you won't like it, it is NOT what you are recommending. A CA claiming to be unable to perform under this issue is reeled in, if it's the FO thats the problem, they BOTH get reeled in, the FO for his marginal emotional state, and the CA for his inability to control the cockpit. And by reeled in, it will include time off...or worse...( by the way, this is straight from a CP) The company will replace a CA who is too fragile to control him/herself...because the company deems this relatively trivial, considering what type of emergency could ACTUALLY arise, and their fragile state will render them incapacitated.

Heard the same thing from my CP too...I got the impression this is going to be an almost zero-tolerance deal.

 

[L1011Ret]

Well then if it is follow the rules then what are you complaining about the new union for? The rules were followed and hence a new union was certified by the NMB. See how it works? Like a double edge sword that cuts both ways.

The NIC award had a windfall and West, East, ALPA National and the Company all knew it. The AWA MEC took the hard line stance and now they are gone. Had they listened to ALPA National, the Company and the East and work in good faith then the situation might be different. They bet the house and lost everything. So the GREED of the AWA MEC killed ALPA and the lottery ticket.

BTW if you think this has anything to do with the company survival. Then you are a fool. The profitability of this company is sole responsibility of the management team. All other employees are just paid to do a job for a days worth of pay.

You are fool, research regularly shows employee attitudes effect the bottom line.

 

[checksix]

So you would prefer that they be distracted by the presence of someone who has actively pursued a policy that threatens their career? Now you want to second-guess that pilots ability to work under those conditions? Should they fly fatigued, just to get the jumpseater to work?

So you are defending a pilot who uses the jumpseat as a way to punish pilots based on what? Color, religion, race, political position, geographics? Where do you draw the line?

The jumpseat should be suspended for everybody until a suitable solution can be agreed upon and the animosity between the two groups has been allowed to cool. But that would take management leadership, and so far there has been none.

That will punish whom? The entire pilot group? How about 30 days without pay for a pilot who does not allow his fellow pilot a ride to work without just cause? Don't you think that would be more effective?

Management has provided some leadership on this issue - Parker and Kirby have now made it clear; you have a union, participate.

But if you feel you would be unable to carry out your duties, then you should contact USAPA and tell them you want them to take action to unite the pilot groups. But don't do it more than once, or you might get sued.

No, it's not one call, two or even ten. 300 calls that are all hang ups is pretty transparent, don't you think?

 

[checksix]

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you think- just some helpful advice, my friend.

What does that mean???

 

[HighbutFast]

I can't wait to see the first guy who tests out their little game with this " I'm all shook up with that...that...EAST guy so close to me...it's just not safe!..."

I absolutely can't wait to hear how that goes down.

newsflash: there's no room in the budget for you AWAPA-types little games, a real simple solution is for you to all continue your little mental-meltdown, get yourselves fired for any one of a number of reasons that you are threatening to do...and presto! the union signs a deal with the company that allows for your swift and immediate replacement by the ennumerable qualified guys out East.

Problem solved, case closed, embarrasing behavior ceases.

Done.

 

[EastUS]

So you would prefer that they be distracted by the presence of someone who has actively pursued a policy that threatens their career? Now you want to second-guess that pilots ability to work under those conditions?

If that's your idea of a significant "distraction"...you're both poorly trained and have led an extremely sheltered life..and I'd fully question your actual fitness for the command or crewing of ANY aircraft. What do you plan on actually doing if/when something actually serious ever occurs?...Yell for Mommy?..because you're so easilly "distracted"?

"Now you want to second-guess that pilots ability to work under those conditions?" Ther's no longer any need to do so.. By your reasoning..if the mere presence of a jumpseater puts you into "unsafe" territory.....you'd be utterly worthless in any serious "conditions". Personally?..I wouldn't care in the slightest if even your whiney arse was on "my" jumpseat, nor will I ever deny you the professional courtesy inherent in affording you said seat.

"The jumpseat should be suspended for everybody until a suitable solution can be agreed upon and the animosity between the two groups has been allowed to cool." This isn't grade school. Just grow up. As noted by highbutfast: "The company will replace a CA who is too fragile to control him/herself...because the company deems this relatively trivial, considering what type of emergency could ACTUALLY arise, and their fragile state will render them incapacitated." As should be done with any pathetic little prima donna that's so easilly "distracted".

 

[HighbutFast]

If that's your idea of a significant "distraction"...you're both poorly trained and have led an extremely sheltered life..and I'd fully question your actual fitness for the command or crewing of ANY aircraft. What do you plan on actually doing if/when something actually serious ever occurs?...Yell for Mommy?..because you're so "distracted"?

"Now you want to second-guess that pilots ability to work under those conditions?" Ther's no longer any need to do so.. By your reasoning..if the mere presence of a jumpseater puts you into "unsafe" territory.....you'd be utterly worthless in any serious "conditions".

And THAT, is EXACTLY what the CP's have said...almost (not quite) verbatim.

I urge some of the more "prolific and caustic" posters to give it a try.

Hilarious, broken73's wants to shut down all jumpseating so that their "cause" gets a little more attention...uh, yeah...

I suggest you hold your breath for that one...

what a girl.

 

[hp_fa]

Well then if it is follow the rules then what are you complaining about the new union for? The rules were followed and hence a new union was certified by the NMB. See how it works? Like a double edge sword that cuts both ways.

The NIC award had a windfall and West, East, ALPA National and the Company all knew it. The AWA MEC took the hard line stance and now they are gone. Had they listened to ALPA National, the Company and the East and work in good faith then the situation might be different. They bet the house and lost everything. So the GREED of the AWA MEC killed ALPA and the lottery ticket.

BTW if you think this has anything to do with the company survival. Then you are a fool. The profitability of this company is sole responsibility of the management team. All other employees are just paid to do a job for a days worth of pay.

The NMB certifying USAPA as bargaining agent has nothing to do with whether any end-around attempted by USAPA would be lawful. The NMB merely established that an election was held and that USAPA prevailed, but it does not in anyway address Nicolau. It will take a court to figure out the true status of the Nicolau decision as far as its impact on USAPA and the pilot group.

It is your ** opinion ** that Nicolau was a windfall. Until a court addresses the issue it will remain an opinion, the same as West folks saying otherwise.

Finally, I do not think this has anything to do with company survival. However, failure of the company to survive will render this whole issue moot as far as US Airways is concerned. However, that may not be a final answer since if the company is merged or otherwise acquired the status of the seniority list will still likely be an issue for a court to decide.

 

[BottomFeeder]

You are fool, research regularly shows employee attitudes effect the bottom line.

OK, here is your chance to man up and post the research. Show us all the material you have.

 

[HighbutFast]

Some assumptions would have to be made for his statement to hold true.

Namely: the company recognizes that there is a "bottom line" based on absolute minimal service provided...and may be content with that figure.

Conversely, that the "bottom line" can be increased as a function of better service provided....the provision being a result of happier and more productive employees, which may cost the company a little more, but may yield dividends.

I see no evidence that the sandbox subscribes to the latter.

 

[luvn737s]

I can't wait to see the first guy who tests out their little game with this " I'm all shook up with that...that...EAST guy so close to me...it's just not safe!..."

Really? I can't wait either. Especially when no one is willing to replace him. All those "zero tolerance" types better pack a bag and plan to be out of the office alot. Or in meetings with the Feds for pilot pushing.

You easties sure spend alot of time talking to CP's. When your not blowing holes in cockpits and trying to cover up off-road excursions (or maybe as a result of...)

 

[HighbutFast]

oh, what's the matter 73's....getting a little "hot"....

At least the East doesn't crap into envelopes, spend entire days off tying up phone lines like a 9 year old girl trying to reach a radio station, hang dolls from cockpits as a sign of "thug solidarity"...

You guys are acting like children.

 

[luvn737s]

It will take a court to figure out the true status of the Nicolau decision as far as its impact on USAPA and the pilot group.

I think USAPA is doing a fine job of establishing a reputation for frivolous lawsuits. Maybe Seham is actually doing the west pilots a favor by encouraging them.

 

[HighbutFast]

Really? I can't wait either. Especially when no one is willing to replace him. All those "zero tolerance" types better pack a bag and plan to be out of the office alot. Or in meetings with the Feds for pilot pushing.

You easties sure spend alot of time talking to CP's. When your not blowing holes in cockpits and trying to cover up off-road excursions (or maybe as a result of...)

Uh, yeah, thats gonna make the company crater...then the dissenting pilot, AND the subject pilot get fired...sounds like an illegal job action you're suggesting...

Better call the union to be sure....oh, thats right....you don't "have one"....


LOL