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oh, what's the matter 73's....getting a little "hot"....

What gives you that impression? I'm having a blast watching the Lil' General's war blow up in his face.

The east has exhausted everything it could do: it ousted ALPA and started a civil war. The west has plenty of options, money and time. Nothing to get hot about there as far as I can see.
 
Me neither....I guess maybe the USAirways union should draft a side letter authorizing East coverage of West job actions, which you have just alluded to...by, what is your glee club called again, YoPappa?

well, whatever.
 
It will take a court to figure out the true status of the Nicolau decision as far as its impact on USAPA and the pilot group. It is your ** opinion ** that Nicolau was a windfall. Until a court addresses the issue it will remain an opinion, the same as West folks saying otherwise.

Very true. The seniority list will be voted upon in the next agreement. If a majority of pilots believe it is fair, then it will be implemented. If a pilot or group of pilots wish to pursue a legal avenue that is certainly their right to do so. But until then, it would be great if we could all act like professional, responsible and mature men and women.
 
What gives you that impression? I'm having a blast watching the Lil' General's war blow up in his face.

The east has exhausted everything it could do: it ousted ALPA and started a civil war. The west has plenty of options, money and time. Nothing to get hot about there as far as I can see.

Hmmm...you're an interesting specimen.

1) Any supposed, and improperly termed "war" would fall under the auspices of "Johhy-Boy M": "All out warfare"...and/or such luminairies as Leonidas: "Alpa lost by 400 votes. The war is on". Do you see people out east, nonsensically babling about the current labor irriatation as being any "civil war"? I submit not. We hardly consider this as being tantamount to "war" in ANY way. Readilly bandying about serious terms such as "War" simply establishes a rather "innocent" and wholly adolescant perspective. Honestly, especially as per jumpseats...is there ANY level of despicable behavior that you some of you will ever, at least consider, becoming slightly ashamed of yourselves for? As per "War"?...I can well imagine some of the oft-posting, west AWHOPPER "War Heroes" in an actual war: Debrief = "We lost DramaQueen One immediately after taking off.....his last transmission was"....:"Mommy!, Mommy!..It's Waaay worse than even having an east jumpseater!!..I'm SO totally DISTRACTED!!...Waaah!!..Help me Mr Wizard!!..I want to go home!!" :lol:

2) "The west has plenty of options, money and time." We differ on those assumptions..but that's to be expected.
 
Uh, yeah, thats gonna make the company crater...then the dissenting pilot, AND the subject pilot get fired...sounds like an illegal job action you're suggesting...

"Suggesting" "Alluding", you better go back to USAPA Fear Monger camp, you're flunking out here. How about merely the observation of widespread unity.

Better call the union to be sure....oh, thats right....you don't "have one"....

Hey spanky, I hate to break it to ya, but you don't either.
 
Options, money, and time....plenty of all the above, says the man behind the curtain.

Well, I just guess we'll see.

He has suggested that the West may have an "understanding" about covering flying that falls in the crosshairs...I'm sure that the company will understand and look the other way..aren't you?

What an ego-maniac...the company couldn't give two "browned west envelopes" about their "civil war"...but rest assured 73, this is a publicly held company, and Parker will skip you off the planet like a rolling stone before he allows gangbangers to try to influence the company and disrupt the operation for your own psychotic episodes...

count on that.
 
What gives you that impression? I'm having a blast watching the Lil' General's war blow up in his face.

The east has exhausted everything it could do: it ousted ALPA and started a civil war. The west has plenty of options, money and time. Nothing to get hot about there as far as I can see.

You best take another look luvn. The AWAPPA/Leonidas movement has been one pathetic act after another. It's an embarrassment to this pilot group. USAPA and the US Airways pilots will continue to move forward as the group of professionals that they are.

As for your group's options, money and time: Thus far your options (mailing poop, crank phone calls, hanging a doll in the cockpit) are pathetic. The funding is likely going to be liquidated fairly soon since I see the group has been begging for $150 ASAP, doesn't give a AWAPPA/Leonidas member the warm and fuzzy. As for time - the clock is ticking and it will run out......the sooner the better, as the US Airways pilots will rid themselves of this annoyance.
 
"Suggesting" "Alluding", you better go back to USAPA Fear Monger camp, you're flunking out here. How about merely the observation of widespread unity.



Hey spanky, I hate to break it to ya, but you don't either.
Well, well, well....seems the tart has spread the news: "widespread unity" on the West? ...you mean the gang?

Yeah, I'm quivering with anticipation of your next "diabolical plot to take over the world"...

"groovy baby..."

what a joke.

better wake up...I guess you think you can push me around here, what with your "blowfish impersonation"

get real.
 
You best take another look luvn. The AWAPPA/Leonidas movement has been one pathetic act after another. It's an embarrassment to this pilot group. USAPA and the US Airways pilots will continue to move forward as the group of professionals that they are.

As for your group's options, money and time: Thus far your options (mailing poop, crank phone calls, hanging a doll in the cockpit) are pathetic. The funding is likely going to be liquidated fairly soon since I see the group has been begging for $150 ASAP, doesn't give a AWAPPA/Leonidas member the warm and fuzzy. As for time - the clock is ticking and it will run out......the sooner the better, as the US Airways pilots will rid themselves of this annoyance.
Indeed...think of all the money the company will save on psychotropic drug prescriptions once these "challenged and troubled hero's" are gone.

Wow, I might even get a raise.

The silence is fiercely deafening...broken73's is on the red nextel to the Oracle getting instructions on the next big move to steal the dilithium crystals from us so they can extend their escape.

I'll pop some popcorn.
 
It seems 73's was caught in a crease in the time vortex on his travels back to consult with the Oracle on the gangs' next move.

That's OK, I'll fill in for him, (as it's so predictable)

"we're gonna shut you down, you don't know how solid we are"

"we're gonna deny the jumpseat, and the company can't stop us.."

AWAPPA, AWAPPA, don't ya wanna slappa"

(cheering and pom-poms are your discretion.)

(cheering and pill-popping sounds follow)

The sooner you are all gone, the sooner this airline can get back to the business at hand for the employees and shareholders alike.

Happy trails
 
QUOTE (HighbutFast @ Jun 26 2008, 12:19 AM)
I can't wait to see the first guy who tests out their little game with this " I'm all shook up with that...that...EAST guy so close to me...it's just not safe!..."



'luvn737s' date='Jun 25 2008, 08:57 PM' post='620615']
Really? I can't wait either. Especially when no one is willing to replace him. All those "zero tolerance" types better pack a bag and plan to be out of the office alot. Or in meetings with the Feds for pilot pushing.
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This one's worth revisiting. I've seen plentiful servings of half-baked, sweet delusion with frosting on it from the west..but..this is truly a classic. If I'm clear on the poster's intent...it'd seem implied that the CP's will be run ragged flying trips that open due to disciplining morons denying jumpseats, that no ill will whatsoever will result towards said morons from the same CP's..and that all west reserves, when called to replace any such pilot that's taken out for jumpseat stupidity..will heroically refuse the assignment...on who knows what possible grounds.. The CP's will, in addition..be magically reluctant to take any action whatsoever..lest they find themselves confronted by the FAA for simply, and legitimately disciplining their subordinates. The FAA, of course, will also have the fullest sympathy for any pilot in command that can't even conduct safe flight with the severe "distraction" of carrying a jumpseat rider. I really must have misread the posting. That's truly just far too completely insane to really be what this fellow meant to post....isn't it?
 
You best take another look luvn. The AWAPPA/Leonidas movement has been one pathetic act after another. It's an embarrassment to this pilot group. USAPA and the US Airways pilots will continue to move forward as the group of professionals that they are.

As for your group's options, money and time: Thus far your options (mailing poop, crank phone calls, hanging a doll in the cockpit) are pathetic. The funding is likely going to be liquidated fairly soon since I see the group has been begging for $150 ASAP, doesn't give a AWAPPA/Leonidas member the warm and fuzzy. As for time - the clock is ticking and it will run out......the sooner the better, as the US Airways pilots will rid themselves of this annoyance.


Checksix... I'm beginning to wonder if this whole AWAPPA thing was continued by the West MEC, after the election, to keep the West pilots hopes focused on the NIC, and not on the fact that their MEC misrepresented them.

If they are too busy fighting USAPA, they don't have time to really look at what went wrong.
 
Two things to look at:

First, the AWA MEC's greed put you in harms way by not coming to terms that a joint contract would not be agreed upon by the East as long as the NIC award was not addressed. Look no further than to your MEC and then ask them why you are getting furloughed. Ask them why they did not listen to the Company, ALPA National or the East. Simply put... you got screwed by your own guys.

No the AWA MEC was not "greedy". They recognized that Nicolau without any fences or protections was untenable. They were willing to negotiate these as part of the next contract in JNC talks. The problem was that the east position was extreme. At every meeting they demanded the the west repudiate the Nicolau award and start from scratch with a DOH list.

Capitulating and setting aside Nic award would have been stupid.

The problem is that we (east/west) have differing views about what a windfall is. Your side was completely focuses on the upside; A west pilot at X percentile had a hire date well after the east pilot at X percentile. The perceived windfall here was that a west pilot would be able to hold 330 FO (or whatever) with a much later DOH. The reality is that after integration the west and east pilot would have only been able to hold what they had the day prior to the merger.

In addition a very large majority of the west group would have had no problem fencing off the widebodies until every east furloughee had had a chance to bid them. Discussions never reached beyond "DOH or nothing" so that point is moot.

On the west side the worry (substantiated by events) was that a lineholding west pilot would be subject to a furlough ahead of a furloughed east pilot.

You keep sidestepping and avoiding the question as to why this condition; An east pilot who was furloughed (and in some cases one having fewer years of service than the west pilot) will continue to work while the west pilot now trades places with him/her and goes on the street.

Second, Hard to believe that the bottom 175 guys were lineholders at AWA which had 1750 total pilot positons. That is the bottom 10% of your pilots. Are you trying to tell us that the reserve positions are being bid on by the senior guys at AWA? Sounds like you are over stating the real figures to try to gain pitty.

I never said that all 175 were lineholders. Clearly those on the bottom were not but the most senior of the 175 were 2004 hires who held, in some cases, mid range lines.

With respect to the jumpseat war;

I personally do not believe there is a point but if I am flying with an FO who is slated for furlough who does not want an east pilot on the jumpseat, there will be no east pilot on the jumpseat.

Unless you can suggest a way for me to explain to the FO why he should be furloughed, while an east pilot who had been on the street for two years or more is still working, please let me know.

As far as the chief pilot's office. They are offering full support for pilots who deny the jumpseat for like reasons.
 
I personally do not believe there is a point but if I am flying with an FO who is slated for furlough who does not want an east pilot on the jumpseat, there will be no east pilot on the jumpseat.


"An east pilot who was furloughed (and in some cases one having fewer years of service than the west pilot) will continue to work while the west pilot now trades places with him/her and goes on the street." Care to substantiate that? I'm honestly not aware of any whom that would fit.

"Unless you can suggest a way for me to explain to the FO why he should be furloughed, while an east pilot who had been on the street for two years or more is still working, please let me know." Well..you ARE supposed to be the captain, command of the aircraft, and control of the working enviornment's entirely on you in the end, sir. In the extremely unlikely event I had any FO who was adamantly against a west pilot having the jumpseat..that'd be tough luck for him/her....period...You'd still ride. Principles don't bend to fit my/anyone's comfort levels, Imho.

"As far as the chief pilot's office. They are offering full support for pilots who deny the jumpseat for like reasons." Really? That must be a unique phenomenon within the west then.....If that's even remotely true?..Enjoy the ability to improperly abuse your coworkers established priveleges here...while it lasts.
 
Indeed...think of all the money the company will save on psychotropic drug prescriptions once these "challenged and troubled hero's" are gone.

Wow, I might even get a raise.

The silence is fiercely deafening...broken73's is on the red nextel to the Oracle getting instructions on the next big move to steal the dilithium crystals from us so they can extend their escape.

I'll pop some popcorn.
I sounds like you've been popping something else; I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Do you know?

Has Pres. Bendforward been promising you a raise again? Won't you ever learn, yungin'?
 
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